New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)

I'd seen hanger-bays in the sides--what's news to me is that they have closing doors. Makes sense, actually. The ship's flanks would presumably take a lot of fire.

 

Or if you are desperate enough- open the doors and let the fire through.

7777... cool.

 

If we even consider the WEG stats you have to remember that VSD I's concussion missiles are not star fighter scale and are not small, there are at least 3 CAPITAL scale concussion missile types(3D,6D,9D) along with I believe 2 STARFIGHTER scale concussion missiles. this is why I argue that 102 proton torp launchers on a capital ship is weird, they probably aren't the same thing an Xwing is launching if we go by WEG (they would be the same scale as the MC90 heavy protons)

though 102 small torp launchers is much more believable (since the warheads are <1 meter long each) and actually would work.

if you look at the alignment of those doors to the bottom hanger they have to be connected internally into one hanger, the venstar obviously has a lot of internal hanger space, but 192 of multiple ships seems like a lot

 

Jedi:

Do the WEG stats actually list the VSD's concussion missiles as being capital ship-scale? If so, I stand corrected--I just saw the sheer number of missiles and assumed that they were smaller than shipkiller missiles.

Ton

 

Brett_Bass

If it works!

WotC listed the Victory-I's Concussions as "Assault" Concussion Missiles. 20 Launchers with four warheads each.

 

Ton:

It'd be great if they did that in the movie (open the docking bay doors, lower the shields, and let fire go through the ship).


"Assault" concussion missiles? Not very helpful, if I must say so. We can assume they're bigger than fighter-scale weapons, though.

 

We certainly can. They cannot be mounted on starfighters as they are described as capital weaponry. By the same token- even small ships can mount them, the Corellian Gunship is an example.

 

So they're big, but not shipkiller big--right?

 

Planetary bombarment big. They were the primary armament for the VSD-I. The ship can only carry eighty, if that is any indictation of their magnitude.

 

I think the main problem is that WEG's stats do not correlate with the stats in the movie. WEG's stats makes no mention of the turbolaser turrets whatsoever. Also, we have several unanswered questions about those turbolasers that are not housed in turrets. What exactly is the firepower of such weapons? Are point defence lasers what they are? Anti-starfighter weapons? Or do they have enough firepower to fire surgical strikes, i.e. target vital components. Also, we have seen from OT that such lasers are often used even in ship-to-ship combat like that Nebulon B that traded barbs with a SD.

Also, like Admiral Nick says, I will be extremely curious on how a Mon Cal is armed.

On the issue of warheads, I think WEG has never been particularly clear about this, or make a clear distinction between warheads deployed by fighters and warheads employed by capital ships.

Also, I might point out that the the Executor must have a fighter count far exceeding the Venator. Else, it will be extremely odd of a warship more than 10 times smaller to have a fighter count far exceeding the larger warship's. We then also have to ask questions such as, why even the ISD's fighter count is not continuous with the Venator's.

 

The infamous '60 turbolasers' is a very generic term, and probably includes the main extra-heavy turreted cannon. The other turbos could easily be explained as being much akin to the "point defense guns" that we see on the VenStar (assuming that the weapons seen in the aforeposted picture are said weapons).

 

Perhaps because the ISD isn't a multi-role-ship, but more of a "real" destroyer?

I have seen a picture of the ISD-hangar-bay being closed. If i could only remember where ...

The Venator would have at least three hangars. On in the right side, one in the left side and one in the ventral side. The ventral one would be farther forward, than the side-hangars, if i remember the model correct.

Concerning those guns firing through a force-field on the Venator, do you think it possible, that the entire room is some kind of turret. And that it can move not only to the right and to the left side, but up and down, too?



@Brett: Doesn't work, since they are the same kind of weapons (power and d-wise).

 

FTeik:

You're a tricky one, you!


That said, I still contend that the ImpStar is a multirole vessel.


Also, maybe the other turbolasers are simply recessed in the trenches of the ship, like the VNSD's "point defense guns", making them difficult--if not impossible--to see on the models? Seems fairly passable to me. Doesn't the ISD in Return of the Jedi trade shots with that Nebulon B from its gun-trench from a point that doesn't look like a weapon?

Also, good idea about the entire room maneuvering on the otherwise limited weapons on the VenStar. That would make quite a bit more tactical sense. Without the ability to traverse those cannon very far in any direction, they'd only be usable for long-range engagements (or point-blank shots, a la Revenge of the Sith).

 

Good design, putting a hangar bay portal at the rear of the Venstar. Lets toss some torps into the gap, and up goes the engines. That's what I would think of doing.

 

Indeed, the great controversy now is how we should classify those guns that are recessed in the hull, and not housed in turrets. We know there are lots of those guns, as we saw them at the Battle of Endor. We also saw them firing upon the Falcon when she did her flyby in ESB.

It's either that these guns are powerful at short-range engagement, akin to the 6/8inch guns on the Battleships of WWII (these guns are more prominent in WWII than WWI.) which can inflict lots of damage even on a battleship, whereas the guns in the turrets are the 16inch weapons desired for longrange volleys and to inflict heavy damage, or they are just small spitters designed to kill starfighters.

 

Good point(s). For the time being, can we assume that they're turbolasers of some variety?

 

Why should we? Already in the novel of ANH we have at least the DeathStar firing with projectile weapons. Why shouldn't the same be true for an Executor or an ISD?

I need to get a realworld destroyer and compare it to an ISD. Wonder, what conclusions i would reach with that?

 

Actually, I'd like to see that, FTeik. It'd probably be an interesting comparison. Would you be using something modern, like an Arleigh Burke?

 

Episode III Vessel Compendium
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Droid Gunship
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Length: 1187
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Star Dreadnought
Class: Mandator Mark II
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Manufacturer: Kuat Drive Yards

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ARC-170 Starfighter
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Eta-2 Interceptor
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Palpatine's Shuttle
Class: Theta
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Projectile weapons on the Death Star? I thought those guns we saw in ANH are turbolasers? It's possible there are projectile weapons, but don't recall any in the movie.

Anyway, we don't need any real world analogy. What we need is concrete data on the power output of those point defence cannons and those cannons we saw firing upon the Nebulon B by the SD and vice versa in ROTJ.

 

Well, it looks like we are going to get a good look at the main Confederate fleet tonight on Chapter 22 of the Clone Wars cartoon series. As was mentioned earlier, several of the new Providence-class carrier/destroyers are seen. I imagine that we will see some other Seppie warships too. Perhaps even a good look at their starfighters.

Of the ships we know to be in RotS, I find myself most interested in the IGBC frigate. I like its overal look and shape. Judging by the picture on the chart posted on Hyperspace, it is probably around 700 or 800 meters in length. And, they seem to be by far the most common Seppie warship at the battle of Coruscant. That must mean something, IMO.

--Adm. Nick

 

Im kind of interested in the starfighters. The Techno Union and P-38s are entirely new to me, and all but the ARC-170 are still vaguely described.

 

Just saw CW 23. All I can say is... meh. The confederacy fleet is made up entirely of Providence cruiser/carriers, so apparently they aren't even trying for realism. Seppie fighters are vultures and trifighters, which seems about right. Republic fleet is entirely made up of Venators, and their fighter force is entirely ARC-170s, plus a couple jedi interceptors. No V-Wings. One of the Venators splits entirely down that red stripe in the middle (?!) and reveals a huge axial hanger bay. I highly doubt though that that's actually how the things work, since the cartoon is far from realistic.

Ay-unnd.... somewhere on the internet is a scan of some part of the TBB of Revenge of the Sith. It features what appear to be Victory-Class SDs. Or Imperators, but I think that they have wings. Warning, though, if you happen to run across it, the page showing the possible VSDs also has some biggish spoiler material...

 

First off--TBB?

Second, where is this place, that we might bask in its potential Victory-class glory?

 

He means TPB -- the Revenge of the Sith Trade Paperback graphic novel.