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New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Thrawn McEwok, Jun 5, 2003.

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Assumedly, Wes, they were destroyed in the battles, as there weren;t any above Coruscant in DE.

    How many Golans were there above Coruscant? We know there were many, so...a thousand? Two?
     
  2. DARTH_VRUC

    DARTH_VRUC Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I doubt that there are so many.I'd say less than a hundred, at the most.After all Coruscant has Home Fleet and Golan's IIRC were pretty expensive, even for the Galactic Capital. Furthermore, there really wasn't any need of them until the Clone Wars and later on the Core was cramped with ISD's...still, who knows.

    BTW- Wohoo, one more page and we hit 400! :)
     
  3. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    Golan platforms are approximately the power of an ISD, but I doubt there are thousands. Maybe hundreds.
     
  4. Pelranius

    Pelranius Jedi Master star 5

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    Well, you don't need thousands of Golan defense platforms if you can just mount some really big turbolasers and ion cannons to keep back any unfriendly ships.

    Probably between a hundred to fifty Golan IIIs at TTT Coruscant (the New Republic wasn't exactly rolling in credits at that point)
     
  5. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Nothing on par with those numbers, Pelranius. Wedge's Gambit didn't have that many over Impy Centre, neither did Ackbar's Bilbringi strike. I can see the Centre with half a dozen by TTT, tops. Anyway, by Before the Storm she had her own Home Fleet.
     
  6. Excellence

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  7. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, the thing is, if the Imperials brought the bulk of their fleet, including Battlecruisers, Battleships, destroyers.. etc. Seriously, the NR doesn't have the firepower to take them on. Not even the entire fleet would have done anything. There are simply too many vessels. Even if the NR brought Lusankya, it would have been a suicidal mission. Unless Ackbar can cook something up, it's highly unlikely he can bring the fleet down. Mon Mothma was right to assume that they had to flee, though she might have hoped the fleet could do something.
     
  8. Valin_Halcyon

    Valin_Halcyon Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I doubt that they were thousands of golans by Wedge's Gamble... It only took a few golan's to give the fleet problems.
     
  9. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The X-Wing-novels, as much of the rest of the EU suffer from extreme minimalism. There were perhaps TWO Golan-stations, nothing more.

    All those things simply don't fit with two DeathStars and ships like Executor as seen in the movies.
     
  10. Valin_Halcyon

    Valin_Halcyon Jedi Padawan star 4

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    That's true... Although you would think that they would be evenly spaced.
     
  11. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    If they implemented a defence grid of Golans and defence satellites, there should have been at least 10 Golans orbiting the planet depending on the density. However, I would think 1000 should be adequate.

    Of course, considering how.. inaccurate the calculations are, it's anyone's guess how many Golans there were.
     
  12. President_Sharky

    President_Sharky Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think some source mentioned that the Golans were arranged in circles of 8 at several points along Coruscant lines of latitude.
     
  13. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, I think it is time that we all talk about what is going to happen to this thread within the next forty posts.

    Now, IIRC, a thread can no longer support posts once it reaches the 10,000 post mark. For starters, we should all be real proud that we have kept this going. It is so nice to see so many new Fleet Junkies across the boards. Even though most of the originals like myself don't post here as regularly, I know I speak for others when I say that we all still lurk and watch. I am constantly amazed to see people all over this board with some variation of Fleet Junkie in their title. I have a sort of running tally on our number, and suffice it to say that close to forty people have contacted me and become fleet junkies over the year plus that this thread has been going. That does not even count the ones who just add it and jump into the fun. :) ;)

    So, we need to make sure that our transition into the new thread goes smoothly. For starters, we need to designate someone to be the official person to post the new version of this thread. Secondly, we need to decide on it's title. I think that we should open the floor during these last few posts to get this thing set up properly so that we all can enjoy our discussions about capital warships for some time to come.

    Anyways, let the discussion begin.

    Fleet Junkies Ho!!

    --Adm. Nick
     
  14. President_Sharky

    President_Sharky Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Doesn't the SOS thread have over 10,000 posts?
     
  15. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    (Waves hand at President_Sharky)

    "You will forget my previous post." :p

    Seriously though, you are right. I had a friend of mine tell me that 10,000 posts was the limit, but that obviously was wrong. I guess that means we have nothing to worry about. The SOS guys did in fact just breach 10,000 posts.

    "You may go about your business. Move along. Move along."

    :D

    --Adm. Nick
     
  16. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    Still it is good to have a plan of action.

    I have to suggest "It's a trap!" And the new title :D
     
  17. Pelranius

    Pelranius Jedi Master star 5

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    I can't really think of any significant advantage that a network of orbiting battlestation would really have over a decent planetary defense grid.

    I suppose that the GFFA generally doesn't name their battlestations?

    And what's this Class III 10km battlestation mentioned in RotS: ICS? (never heard of a specific model being that large)
     
  18. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    Defense stations complement shields, not replace them:
    They are outside the shield boundry
    They orbit higher than surface guns can reach
    They can engage enemy ships before they reach the planet itself
     
  19. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Orbital Defense-Stations have the advantage, that you don't have to open gaps in your planetary shield to let the weapons-blasts from the surface-to-space-artillery through.

    And it is ridiculous to assume, that the largest defense-stations are equal to a single ISD, if there are lots of larger ships around.
     
  20. Pelranius

    Pelranius Jedi Master star 5

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    True, but you'd think that someone would have put them into orbit around Coruscant or another high value world in the post Endor timeframe (unless the Emperor banned them and towed the existing ones to Byss or something).

    Artillery? I thought that planetary shields operated on the same principle as other shields, and so they don't need to "open" up for energy weapon fire?
     
  21. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    How many "high-value" worlds do we truly see in the post-Endor-timeframe aside from Coruscant (which the empire - or to be more precise Ysanne Isard - allowed the NR to take)?

    The best take we have at that are the fortress-worlds, but they are only described in short detail.

    And how do we know, that shields on ships and other vessels don't have to open gaps to fire through their shields or that the barrels of cannons and the antenna of sensors don't reach out of the shields? Because, if this is the case the value of fighters in large-scale combat gets some of its supposed importance (considering the mastubatory fantasies of X-Wing;) ) back.
     
  22. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, in Wedges Gamble I took the logic that if they clear space around a point, they just slave the fleet to a geosyncronous orbit other that point and launch troops down that junction. You don't have to engage every single Golan in orbit if you don't need to.

    Ackbar specifically mentions other Golan's, and shuttling survivors to the other Golans to carry the tale of defeat and take them peacefully.

    And if the NR in SBS can patch together at least a few thousand for Coruscant, Mon Calamari, Arkania and even Borleias, and assumedly Kuat and so forth, then the Empire can put together a thousand around Imp Centre.
     
  23. Pelranius

    Pelranius Jedi Master star 5

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    Interesting thought on the shields, barrels and sensor antenna...

    Now what would Dr. Saxton say? [face_thinking]

    Unfortunately, that supposition of yours goes some way to justify the Stackpole fighter ****.
     
  24. Anguirus

    Anguirus Jedi Youngling star 2

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    President_Sharky, can I be a member too?

    Anyway, it's not a total, total loss. Labyrinth of Evil had some half-decent space combat. And I think there must have been a general feeling of not wanting to step on the toes of Episode III, since the designs and such for the Clone Wars space battle in that film didn't come out for a long time.
     
  25. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well Labyrinth of Evil was rather scanty when it came to the details of the battles, so it wasn't that fantastic in terms of that.

    On the issue of how many Golan platforms, we should first take the Trade Federation blockade of Naboo as a rough gauge of how many Golan platforms are deemed as adequate. We can probably half the number at least, but for a truly dense network of platforms defending a planet, that should be about how many platforms we will need.

    Anyway, 10000+ posts! Here we go!
     
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