New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)

"I was going to manufacture a thread like this, to generate discussion on these newer capital ships, but didn't want to cause another page in history like the Super Star Destroyer Wars."

-Excellence, 6/07/03

2yrs ago? I remember saying that, Admiral Nick. Like it was last month. I really have no perception of time, do I?

 

Interesting history lesson, GAJ

How come we haven't seen a warship with "Rex" as part of its designation yet? (I created one, but that obviously doesn't count... )

 

These were no "official" modification done by Loronar. They were modified by the Airam Rebels at Mobetta and Nocto, using the generators from the captured Interdictor Compellor. Each Strike cruiser has two globes, so there had been only two cruisers: the Peregrine and the Sagina.

 

Curious. I only recalled Sagina... where did that ship go? Destroyed?

 

largest pure discussion/analysis threads on the Jedi Council Forum.
The wrestling discussion thread in JCC is about 20,000 posts ahead of you

 

Wrestling??? Is that even relevant to Star Wars???!?!

 

Yes.

 

The Peregrine was the "main" ship, the first Strike cruiser modified at Mobetta. The Sagina is constructed at Nocto. It is only seen in one mission. She left the Shipyard together with two unmodified Strike cruisers and is never seen again. The ship's whereabout is unknown.
The next mission is the last mission and when you play the imperial version, the Peregrine is destroyed.

 

Hey, he claimed this may be the largest discussion thread on the JC. Didn't say anything about SW.

Though in terms of word count it may be.

 

I'll do anything to avoid seeing a bunch of gamorreans doing a wrestle.

So the Sagina actually appeared? I don't recall her in the game.

Anyway, by and large, the Good side won i believed.

 

hyperspace is open for a 7 day trial, the EP3 animatic reel is the interesting one, at least 3 confirmed providences in the opening battle and a scene or two that got cut from the battle too (but we know the one got filmed because its the one with a recusant decapitating a venator) also it has a animatic of the windmill scene which should make the dvd... curious if anyone else finds interesting tidbits scattered around while we have free access.

 

Not really on topic but...

When is the next version of Warlords coming out? It has to entertain me until Empire at War arrives.

 

Abot Hyperspace- I've found some nice pics from some un-finished scenes, as well as a scaling chart, or whaterver it is called. It was in a story about the first version of the BoC, which included a lot more dogfighting insted of the boring ship-chacing-Eta2 scenes/ buzz droid (sad it didn't turn out that way).

Yeah, Evil when is the next version of WArlords coming out? Will it have CGI movies this time?
And aquestion abou XvT - does it have singleplayer? A friend f mine has the game, but I don't want to bother him and find out it can be played only in multiplayer (with my awfull connection speed, ugh)?

 

Like I said, she was breifly seen in the pre-last imperial mission. She was in a drydock and when you jump in, a transporter docks at the Sagina and the ships jump into hyperspace.

So the Rebels have two working Interdictors around 3,5 ABY. But they never showed up again. Sadly.

Yes. I played the whole game on singleplayer. I once tried to play the MP, but it didn't work. The SP was as good as the MP (for me...).

 

I never quite managed to get it to work well on Single Player. Often, I had to use the standard Homeworld 2 Settings which means resources trickle in at a rate that would take me nearly 1/2 hr to build an Eclipse Star Dreadnaught.

 

Do you have the comics? If so, can you post any details about this ship and it's class that may exist? A while ago, pics of the Eidolon showed up on stardestroyer.net, and a couple of us (always hoping for more dagger-shaped Imperial ships) were wondering if this was intended as a retcon of the well-known Loronar Strike-class cruiser. Is it ever said or implied to be the same kind of ship, rather than just another class?

Interesting, I never heard of this before. Were these meant to be the same kind of ship? Is it possible that the differences you saw were just the result of the artist's style, or inaccurate/sloppy artwork? Or were they so large that mere differences in artistic style were out of the question (like the SSD Allegiance in Dark Empire, which couldn't possibly have been a sister ship of the Executor)?

 

>>>Do you have the comics? If so, can you post any details about this ship and it's class that may exist? A while ago, pics of the Eidolon showed up on stardestroyer.net, and a couple of us (always hoping for more dagger-shaped Imperial ships) were wondering if this was intended as a retcon of the well-known Loronar Strike-class cruiser. Is it ever said or implied to be the same kind of ship, rather than just another class? <<<

Sure. Battleground: Tatooine is the original source. It shows the Eidolon in a wireframe view (with some interior detailing) and in a rear view (which shows 5 engines: 2 on top, 3 below). Here's the dialogue:

"--A Strike Cruiser outfitted to carry TIEs!"

"Not just any cruiser... the Eidolon! A prototype that vanished on its maiden voyage and was presumed lost!"

And here's what the Imperial Semtin says about it:

"The Eidolon was a fake. It was jumped into oblivion to disguise the fact that it was barely spaceworthy. Its truly amazing what can be built for the cost of a single Strike Cruiser."

(Sate Pestage used the funds from the project to set up a private retreat/base on Tatooine.)


So it is a Strike Cruiser. Its never stated that its a Loronar Strike Cruiser, but that could be conjectured from the name "Strike Cruiser."


The second appearance of this "Eidolon-class" Strike Cruiser was on the cover of Mandatory Retirement. It is a bit more boxy than the image in Battleground: Tatooine, but its obvious its the same type of ship---or at least very, very similar. Oddly, it was only seen on the cover, and never in any of the comic. Must have been off-camera or something.


The third appearance was in Tales: Routine, found in Tales: Volume 1. In it, an Imperial officer muses about what his career could be like and envisions a great fleet battle. In it, there are three ISDs, one VicStar, one Lancer, two interdictors (possibly Dominator-class or the interdictor/ISD variant seen in Vader's Quest),numerous TIE/lns, and two of these Strike Cruisers fighting various Rebel craft (Z-95s, Y-wings, CR90 Corvettes, unknown ships, etc). Both Routine and Battleground: Tatooine were drawn by John Nadeau, so the resemblance is not a coincidence. The comic is placed durring Han and Chewie's smuggling days, which would make it several years before Yavin.



So we know that the cruiser has been around since about 5 BBY, and its design is not unique to the Eidolon. So it is a separate class of Strike Cruiser. However, it is not known whether the other examples have the Eidolon's planned TIE carrying modifications and we don't know what its relation with the normal Loronar Strike Cruiser is.


>>>Interesting, I never heard of this before. Were these meant to be the same kind of ship? Is it possible that the differences you saw were just the result of the artist's style, or inaccurate/sloppy artwork? Or were they so large that mere differences in artistic style were out of the question (like the SSD Allegiance in Dark Empire, which couldn't possibly have been a sister ship of the Executor)?<<<

I would put it up to sloppy drawing, at least for now. On page 119 of the HttE Sourcebook, there is an image of the Imperial fleet. In it, there is a Strike Cruiser quite close to an ISD and one can easily tell that the Strike Cruiser is about the length of the ISD's bridge tower; I would guess its length to be around 200-250 meters. However, the ship size chart (and the size stats of 450 meters) shows that the Strike Cruser is much longer than the bridge tower. So I would mark it down as artistic scale error. In addition, the drawing Strike Cruiser looks "stubbier" and more "squished" than the side-view Strike Cruiser, but this too could be an artistic error. If a retcon other than "artist's error" is needed, we could have it be a mini-Strike Cruiser, just l

 

[image=http://warlords.swrebellion.com/stuff/eidolonandfunnystrike.jpg]

top two are eidolons from BG tatooine

middle and bottom left are the podgy strike from shadows

and the bottom right is the one from the cover of mandatory retirement


http://www.minos.net/~sco/fleet-manual/pics/strikecruiser.gif

is the XWA version

http://ggff.rpg.pl/rpg/sw/pics/loronar.gif

is the rpg version

http://www.starwars.jp/machine/image/strike_cruiser.jpg

is the rebellion version

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swempireatwar/images/screenshots/27.jpg

is the new EAW ship

http://tiger887.tripod.com/ExtraPics/ModStrikeCruiser1t.jpg

is the XWA modified grav well strike









I thought this next one was funny because it is a really pimped galofree
[image=http://warlords.swrebellion.com/stuff/excessivegallofree.jpg]

 

That helps a lot, thanks.

 

Where is this alleged Eidolon on a Mandatory Retirement cover? I don't remember any.

"They always forget the little guy," the Sullustan head rams Dendo.
"Thanks for the reminder," Dendo knocks him back.

Weak art, but good dialogue, that comic.

 

I'm pretty sure there's a beauty shot of the Eidolon in the Dark Horse XWRS handbook... I'll see if I can dig it up and throw a picture up somewhere...

EJ: really pimped galofree

That phrase, and the picture it goes with, made my night!!

And I see that it brought in Ex like a shadowmoth to Jacen's nightlight, or a sand-panther with a dead squib in its mouth...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

More like a Gallofree desperately imitating an Assault Cruiser, you mean.

The Eidolon types, I wonder if they're of KDY manufacture?