New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)

Nick and TIE Defender Pilot:
Actually, it just says 'retrofitted Star Destroyer'--not specifically Imperial-class ships. Also, if the Mon Mothma and her "Senator-class" ships are indeed the Rejuvenator-class vessels from The Unifying Force, I believe they're actually from Rendili Star Drive... Which makes them sound more like refitted Victory- or Republic-class vessels.

I'd go with the Republic in terms of gross tonnage, but given the main characters' response to seeing them (they nearly panic), I'd go with the VicStar.

T McE:
Yeah. An Abrams. With an RPG. Yeah. It isn't normally a physical possibility. The RPG-7 has, like, between an ounce and a couple of pounds of Composition-B for its warhead, and the shot that disabled the tank was to the skirt armor.

 

I thought the RPG that disabled the Abrams was a new type of RPG?

Oh, and the Imperial Abolisher Cruisers (like the Mon Mothm/Rejuvenator) also used gravity well projectors to tear starships to pieces as they were making the jump to hyperspace, but seemed to apply to all GFFA ships, not just Vong.

 

And going back to FTeik...


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The way i see it, the operation was planned this way:

The imperial fleet comes out of hyperspace far away from Hoth. There are a lot of asteroids and meteors which are used by the imperials as covers. With low-powered engines the star destroyers sneak up on Hoth without being noticed by the rebels. Without the shield, the imperials can make precise strikes against Echo Base defenses without causing to much destruction to the rest of the base and capture Skywalker alive. But Ozzel left hyperspace to close to the system and the rebels were able to activate their shield.

A fair enough guess.

That 200 gigatons per shot and per cannon are conservative for the energy-requests for such an operation. Even with thousands of shots.

I beg to differ.

But not consistent with DarkSaber as you pointed out above.

Because the Knight Hammer didn't complete the mission.

HOWEVER, in all fairness, everything from Kevin J. Anderson must be viewed as even more symbolic than the rest of the Star Wars universe, so I'll consider this a moot point.

And after a BDZ they would have been melted. Including the entire rest of the surface of the planet.

I'm not disagreeing, save that if I were to hold you to the same degree of totally literal interpretation that you've been holding me (as I tried to incoporate into my previous post on this subject), I would point out that the buildings in Japan would have burned, not melted (traditional Japanese architecture of the period was almost exclusively wood and paper).

Whips manufactured in Romania have NOTHING to do with turbolaser-firepower. The damage caused by a 200 gigaton-laser shot DOES.

I see the point was lost on you.

The point was that 'proving' something using obscure and tangential mathematical formulas doesn't necessarily help one's case.

The amount of water a 200 gigaton blast will boil (starting at a temparature that you did not specify, along with the atmospheric pressure, relative humidity, altitude, saline content, and a host of other things that will be required for collegiate-level physics) has little to do with the degree of outright destruction that said blast would inflict.

In any case your example was, while fruitless, at least interesting.

Ask me about Nicolae Ceaucescu some time... Freaky guy. Seriously the most bizarre Communist dictator ever.

The fighters were only able to reach/hit that globe, because the shield was already down without the generator exploding.

Maybe, maybe not. Even the entry in The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology stops just short of saying that it was the destruction of the generator that caused the bridge deflector shield to collapse.

Did i say otherwise? I was speaking about an increase in quantity, not quality (like the double-shield of Coruscant).

You imply otherwise by stating that Death Squadron could never have brought down the Hoth shield.

Only based on the assumption, that they were able to bring the shield down in the first place.

The presumption. There's a precedent, or at least a possible precedent.

What they were not according to General Veers.

That's what you're interpreting his quote as meaning, yes.

In that case it would have made more sense to use lots of smaller "generators" at the place of the "projectors" than two huge ones sitting atop your bridge and to have conduits, that bring "what-ever-the-shield-generators generate" to the projectors at the bow of the ship.

It would have made more sense to you to litter the hull of a starship with generators that explode rather violently

 

Pelranius:
Not that I know of.

And what, praytell, is an Abolisher cruiser?

 

@Seeker-Two:

HoT is not part of canon?
AotC:ICS is not part of canon?
Scavenger Hunt is not part of canon?
The ImperialSourcebook is not part of canon?
ANH, where the DS destroys Alderaan is not part of canon?
TESB, where five ISDs and one Executor are unable to bring down the shield at Hoth are not canon?

What is canon for you?

Or let me say it otherwise:

Brett gives examples for low firepower. I give examples of very large firepower. Both are done by the same kind of ship. So you either have varying degrees of firepower within the same shiptype or the ship wasn´t firing with maximum firepower during the low-firepower-examples.

Endor SHOULD be a largely lifeless husk post-RotJ. There are several explenations (note, that one should be enough) why it is not, but they are not satisfying.

Two examples are:

1) the ships of the rebels shielded the planet. The problem: there weren´t enough ships to protect the entire surface and according to TaB-Sourcebook and the Insider-Article about the Grandadmirals the fighting continued for four hours after the destruction of DSII. It should be impossible for the rebels to find the time or rest to somehow expand their shields over the entire surface
2) there was a whormhole, that sucked in the entire debris and energy of the DS-explosion. The problem: DSII was in a very low orbit (5,000 kilometers at best). In that case the whormhole must have been similar close to Endor and in that case on has to wonder, why it was never noticed before or after or why it didn´t effect the planet. A whormhole 5,000 kilometers away from a planetary surface wouldn´t be a healthy thing. Not to mention, that the gravity-well of Endor would have rendered hyperspace-travel vie wormhole ineffective.

The Imperial Star Destroyer has enough firepower to reduce a civilized world to slag
Imperial Sourcebook, p.61

These colossal, wedge-shaped behemoths, bristling with turboweapons and carrying entire TIE squadrons within them, each possess more firepower than the entire planetary forces of most worlds, and can reduce a planet surface to smoking debris in a matter of hours.
Star Wars Technical Journal, vol.2, p.17

Not simply whip out animal- and plant-life like Brett´s asteroid, but boil away the oceans, melt the entire surface and destroy all assets of production: This means buildings made of durasteel and ferrocrete, as well as mines or deep-shelter-facilities dozens, if not hundreds of meters BELOW the planetary surface.

One ship.

About the time:

Three ISDs were tasked in HoT to BDZ Bothawui. Three ISDs did a BDZ on Dankayo in Scavenger Hunt.

So if three ISD are able to do a BDZ in, lets say, one hour, a single ISD would need three.

In A.C.Crispin´s Han Solo-Trilogy a fleet, where the largest ships were three Rendili-Dreadnoughts, was tasked to BDZ Nar Shadda. The operation was planned to be finished in less than an hour.

Caamas was BDZ by unknown forces. It was an important core-world. Nobody escaped and there were no witnesses. This indicates a very short frame of time, since the attackers weren´t surprised by Caamasi coming home or travelers or merchants visiting the planet.

Well, Brett and i came to the conclusion, that the terms projectors and generators are used interchangeble (most of the time).

For a shield-generator the best protected place wouldn´t be ABOVE the bridge-tower, but inside the armored hull for the generators with equally long ways for the conduits to the real projectors.

The projectors would be best placed evenly spre

 

FTeik: By the numbers....

1. Endor: You gripe at me about ignoring canon & then proceed to ignore it yourself to explain why Endor is a lifeless rock on the basis of one crackpot (Saxton) who already clashes w/ canon. I'd be more careful about using him as a reference.

2. BDZ: Are you still taking the "slag" reference literally? SWTJ does mention "smoking debris", but that's pretty easy to accomplish (look at what one Rider truck full of fertilizer or a fuel-air bomb can do). In addition, large population areas (i.e. Bothawui) probably contain enough buildings & other substances (fuel, chemicals, millions of tons of debris, etc.) that would help exterminate a planet when hit by laser fire--even if less that 200 gigatons (I imagine that a few million tons of debris lands on an underground shelter can't be good). And I don't remember the part in HUTT GAMBIT where the Nar Shadda operation was going to take less than one hour to accomplish. I do remember that Nar Shadda was a heavily-populated MOON (as in SMALLER THAN A PLANET) & would take less firepower to BDZ. And I didn't see any reference to that fleet intending to melt the moon's crust. (They probably were going to settle for "smoking debris" )

3. Deflector shield generators:
For a shield-generator the best protected place wouldn´t be ABOVE the bridge-tower, but inside the armored hull for the generators with equally long ways for the conduits to the real projectors.
That would work IF you had room in the superstructure. And IF you didn't want to be able to repair/replace them in spacedock easily. And IF you didn't mind overloaded generators exploding INSIDE your hull instead of OUTSIDE (i.e. grenade's effects on an AT-AT from the inside). And IF you didn't have spacesuited repair personnel or connections to the external generators (i.e. Jefferies-tube-like access).

4. Design differences: Well, considering that the Mon Cals focused more on shield technology on their ships than the Imperials--who focused more on weaponry, I think that the differences are apparent. And I haven't seen anything that says that Mon Cal's are using the same equipment as the Imperials--just technologies that accomplish the same goals.
And I see your point about the other Imperial ships. Of course, those ships aren't as large as ISD's & may not need generators as large or as volatile. Some, like the Nebulon-B, may use main engine power for their shields. Also, those ships are designed by different designers working for different companies. Kinda like asking "Why are the laser cannons on Y-Wings internal & on X-Wings external?"

Same kind of problem leads most times to the same kind of solution.

Not always. Compare Imperial & Rebel starfighter technology. Same purpose--different approaches. Or small-caliber assault rifle ammo (5.56 NATO vs. 5.45x39 Russian).

The rest I'll leave for Brett. I'm sure he doesn't mind repeating his points again & hoping that they sink in this time...

(And quit with the whipping, already. You're making me nervous )

 

Fine, lets do with smaller posts:

Fine. In that case you should have no problems to prove my calculation flawed or outright wrong.

And? I would think, that those other points would INCREASE the energy-requirements, not pull them down.

Does it say "destruction" or huge explosion?

How so? If 5 ISDs and one Executor can´t bring down the single shield on Hoth they certainly are not able to bring down the shields of a world with much more shieldgenerators, where each individual shield can possibly be much stronger, because the area it has to cover is smaller. I´m talking about an increase in the density of shield-projectors.

It would made sense to place the generator inside the armored shiphull. That way each shield-projector would be equally far away, if one projector burns out you can lower the generator-output (and reduce the risk of it detonating) and if an enemy-hit would hit there anything would be to late no matter what you do.

Unfortunately i don´t have this EG and i seriously doubt, that i´m going to spent money for a book i will disagree with anyway.

See above. But since we are at it: Why isn´t the NR afraid of those things going bumm inside their ships? Especially since they should be more concerned for the safety of crew and ship, than the empire?

And where, aside from the official stuff, would then be the problem with that already being true for Victories, ISDs and so on? That those domes really are sensors and not shield-whatever?

And where were they? And why are they not also dome-shaped?

For the lenght of Exekutor:
From SW to IndianaJones. Visual comparisons to the ISDs in the movies.

For

 

You obviously didn´t read, what i wrote. I said Endor SHOULD BE a lifeless rock and that the official offered explenations for its survival are not convincing.

And my references to canon weren´t only about Endor, but thank you for ignoring those.

As for Saxton being a crackpot, its always nice to see people make insults behind other peoples back. Not that i´m innocent of that myself when it comes to KJA, but the people at LFL, who hired Saxton to write the AotC:ICS obviously thought otherwise than you.

I´ll have to ask you the same as Brett: Do the numbers yourself. I also suggest you read HoT and how Caamas is described there. Or Scavenger Hunt.

"A few million tons of debris lands on an underground shelter ... . " Of course you know how much energy is needed to lift a "few million tons" into the air?

They had room for 72 TIE-fighters, almost 10,000 groundtroops, one prefebricated garrison and consumables for SIX years. Would it have been to much to ask to make the hull a bit higher or wider? And as i asked Brett, too: Why is this business of exploding generators a problem for the imperials, but not for the much more user-friendly NR?

The same technology. It is a civil war.

Perhaps because the first are in the nose of the ship and the second are on the wings?

 

FTeik:
Some quick thoughts (hopefully I'll establish a precedent)...

After a quick thumbing-through of the Hand of Thrawn Duology, I was unable to confirm that the Ironhand, Obliterator, and Tyrannic were ever intended to execute a Base Delta Zero on Bothawui. Their job was to destroy whatver remained of the assembled fleet(s) in orbit after the sabotage team had opened a hole in the capitol's shield-grid, which other saboteurs would then exploit by having the Ishori war cruiser Predominant (names, designations, and nationalities are possibly off) fire through at Drev'starn and broadcast a falsified attack order.

My point with the 65MYA Yuccatan impact was not that a single blast would be sufficient to Base Delta Zero a planet--simply that the release of 200 gigatons worth of energy would create an immense blast zone in which a whole helluva lot of stuff would be 'melted,' as it were. Using the approximately 1/4 of Australia figure, one can see that only something like 121 shots (extremely rough figure) would be needed to 'burn' off the surface of an Earht-sized planet (not taking into account repeated shots in order to reach known mines and sufficiently destroy oceans). Also, the means throught which a 200 gigaton detonation (be they through the introduction of an extraterrestrial rock or stream of charged particles) is essentially unimportant to the fact that a 200 gigaton reation occurs. Given, where it occurs is important in terms of altitude, but both examples (extraterrestrial impact via Big Space Rock? and orbital bombardment via Big Space Gun?) involve a coherent mass impacting the ground at extreme speeds and causing a reaction that releases the equivilent of a couple of gigatons of TNT being detonated.

In Knights of the Old Republic, we witness an orbital bombardment courtesy of the Leviathan, flagship of the Sith fleet. Assuming that your/Dr. Saxton's thoughts on 'technological stagnation' are correct, the orbital bombardment does not seem to be in keeping with the effects of a 200 gigaton detonation. The Leviathan fires a veritable rainstorm of blasts, with the expressed intent of 'wip[ing] out [the] wretched planet' and there are no explosions greater than a hundred meters or so in scale, at the very largest (and being extremely generous). The world being bombarded is reportedly 'destroyed' within approximately a day. This description, in which an orbiting capital starship releases a 'rain[storm] of energy' is consistant within the Star Wars universe...

In response to questions raised about whether or not 'reduce a civilized planet to slag' is to be taken as literally as is possible, remember also that the very next description that you provide about an ImpStar's capabilities rather contradicts (from a certain point of view) the former... "Smoking debris" cannot, by means of symantic dissection also be 'melted' or 'slag,' as neither of these terms allow for debris. Using deductive reasoning again, we get:

Star Destroyers can reduce planetary surfaces to smoking debris and burn away planetary atmospheres. Slag is not melted debris, and without an atmosphere, things cannot 'smoke' in the conventional sense. Therefore, Star Destroyers do not* melt entire planets into slag

*Notice that I said 'do not' rather than 'cannot'. If one accepts that 200 gigatons per bolt per turbolaser per battery is official, as one is forced to do, then one must surmise that the capability does, in fact, exist (as is tangentially described in Crimson Empire).

On a side note, I once again point you to my Romanian bullwhip manufacturing statement(s)...

And humlby suggest that Dr. Saxton did not, in fact, tell you that a 200 gigaton reaction was not 'Biblical' in scale, as you assert in this quote:

And the Technical Commentries are from a Doctor in Physics. Would rank higher than a physics major, if you ask me.

As a quick

 

Brett

I agree with your statemenst on the Rejuvenator and Mon Mothma being Republic- relatives. I was actaully just thinking about that as I walked home...10 minutes ago. I have drawn a two pics, one of my Idea of a Republic and one of a Rejuvenator concept. I'll see if I can get them up.

 

I just posted the question about the Mon Mothma to Mr. Denning. He is pretty good about responding to his questions, so I will let you all know when he replies.

 

Here is a fleet chart I created, I think it makes sense...well this is the best place to test it...

Fleet Organization

Corvette- One of the smallest capital type vessels. A support vessel used for supporting the larger capital ships.

Gunship- A more heavily armed small capital vessel than the corvette, more for harrying the enemy than actually supporting larger vessels.

Frigate- Larger support vessels, and are able to act with a greater degree of independence than corvettes. Divided into sub-categories:

? Light Frigate: The smallest frigate type warship, similar to a heavy corvette but possesses more firepower or potential room for docked vessesl.

? Frigate: The standard size and ability frigate, Acts mainly as a support vessel, but can command small task forces when the time is needed. Often has small carrying capacity for a squadron or two of fighters or small soldier regiments.

? Heavy Frigate: A potent warship on it?s own, still designed as support ship, this vessel can hold it?s own just as easily a it supports larger vessels.

Destroyers- Designed to act as independent small warships, destroyers are generally larger than heavy frigates and are not designed as support craft. Rather they are fast, firepower centric vessels, which better suited to attack than defense.

? Destroyer: This is the average destroyer, generally larger than the heavy frigate, the ships lack command abilities that some frigates posses however. They are quick and and able to unleash a respectable amount of firepower for their size, however there defensive abilities are somewhat lacking.

? Heavy Destroyer: This type of capital ship overlaps partially with the Light Cruiser in terms or size. Where a light cruiser is a well rounded vessel. The heavy destroyer is similar to the assault cruiser type in it function, though it it lack the command or carrying abilities. Heavy destroyers can firepower comparable to that of light cruiser type vessels.

Cruisers- Cruisers are the backbone of any fleet providing a combination of command, firepower, defensive and carrying abilities. The range in size from just under a kilometer to multi-kilometer behemoths.

? Cruisers: Cruisers are large, powerful command vessels in a fleet, leading task forces directing smaller vessels. Cruisers are well rounded vessels with a balanced amount of firepower, defensive abilities and speed. They generally outgun all vessels smaller than them save for the assault cruiser.

? Light Cruisers: Essentially the same design philosophy of the cruiser, only smaller and therefore lower firepower and defensive abilities (but the same ratio of ability to size) , though they are lost costly and easier to build.

? Assault Cruisers: Assaults cruisers, similar in size to light cruisers, they sacrifice much of their defensive capability for firepower. Found in many of the reactive fleets, they are the often heavy hitting component, along with destroyers, in average sized fleets. They are philosophical older sibling of the destroyer, differing in their carrying abiltities and magnitude.

? Heavy Cruisers: These vessels possess similar command and carrying abilities of the cruiser, only they are larger, carrying more or stronger weapons and thicker armour, these vessels often command battlegroups and serve as key vessels in any operation.

? Battle Cruiser: Large, powerful and absolutely designed to be deadly. Possessing capabilities beyond that of heavy cruisers, besides battleships, battle cruisers are the ultimate fleet command vessel. In comparison to a battleship, they would appear faster and lightly amoured, however when compared to smaller ships they appear to be a super-heavy cruiser with the ability to keep up with the other large ships of the fleet.

Battleships- The absolute largest starships (besides mobile space station), battleships represent the pinnacle of firepower and defensive capabilities. Able to carry an equally impressive fighter compliment, battleships can often serve as their own fleet. Most major fleets are flagshiped by

 

(shaking head) Are you ready, FTeik?

1. Endor: The planet is alive & well. It doesn't matter what Saxton says. THAT should shoot down his "credibility". (And, since we're talking about a FICTIONAL galaxy, LFL can have it survive w/o ANY reason, if LFL wants.) As for calling him a "crackpot", I should be more polite; but, when someone deals a spade, I tend to call it a spade...

2. BDZ: I read HOT, and I still don't see how many ships & types of weaponry were involved in Caamas's destruction (two variables). In addition, we don't know what the planet was composed of or any substances found on the planet to aggrivate the situation (two more variables). You also have to take into account the ionization of the atmosphere and IF the crust was melted. You said that I should do the numbers. However, when the equation is X+Y+Z+A+B=C--and you don't have values for ANY of the letters--numbers are pretty useless.
The "few million tons" I was referring to was the city skyscrapers collapsing & falling to the surface. If the buildings are as tall as those on Courscant or Nar Shadda, then that's a lot of building...

3. Shields:
They had room for 72 TIE-fighters, almost 10,000 groundtroops, one prefebricated garrison and consumables for SIX years. Would it have been to much to ask to make the hull a bit higher or wider?
Maybe size was a consideration & they needed the internal volume. If not, why not make the weapons retractable, too? Bigger ships need bigger engines, too. As for other races, they probably decided to use different technologies to generate the shields (i.e. smaller generators, batteries recharged by the engines, etc.) The Mon Cal's redundant systems worked well, but required a lot of room that could have been used for fighters, weapons, etc.

4. Design differences:
The same technology. It is a civil war.
So the Mon Cal's ships are using the same equipment & technology as the Imperials (including the distorted viewscreens)? Where do you get that information? The designs of the ships alone should rule that out. As for the rest of the Rebellion, that could be the case (i.e. Nebulon-B's, astromech droids, etc.).
As for the X-Wing/Y-Wing explanation: did you have to do the "numbers" to come up with THAT observation? Because I think you missed the point entirely. Koensayr & Incom developed starfighters that could travel through hyperspace, generate shields, and engage targets w/ laser cannons & proton torpedoes. Each company came up with different designs to accomplish the same goal. Same w/ the Verpine (B-Wings), the Hapans (Mytil-class fighters) & MandalMotors (Virago).

Mission: Destroy the capital ship of your choice w/ starfighters.

Imperial strategy: Carrier/SD brings TIEs to area. Launches massive amount of TIE Fighters to overwhelm any fighter & missle defenses by attrition. TIE Bombers launched to destroy capital ship w/ missles. Surviving TIES dock w/ carrier/SD & return to base.
Strengths: speed, maneuverability, & fielded in large numbers.
Weaknesses: limited range, no hyperdrives, no shields, less firepower (except TIE Bomber).

Rebel strategy: Launch smaller number of heavily-armed starfighters from base. Fighters (X-Wings, Y-Wings, B-Wings, etc.) hyperspace in & engage enemy fighters, but survival odds increased d/t heavier armor & shields. After destroying fighters, fighters engage capital ship w/ missles & destroy ship. Surviving fighters hyperspace back to base.
Strengths: hyperdrive, shields, heavier armor, greater firepower.
Weaknesses: fielded in fewer numbers, slower, less maneuverable.

Does that help?

 

A couple of thoughts to add to Seeker's points...

The Imperial-class Star Destroyer is described as 'a marvel of engineering' in a number of sources, such as Technical Journal of the Imperial Forces, The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, and the official website. At any rate, a 1,600 meter spaceframe that is able to outrun a CR90 corvette, carry a full wing of fighters, a division of ground troops, a crew of thirty-seven thousand, a prefabricated garrison base, and several companies of armored vehicles and a varying number of shuttles, barges, and probes, and serve as a communications vessel on top of all is bound to run into some limitations somewhere.

As an example, we know that the ISDs don't have internal garbage-disposal facilities capable of dealing with anything other than basic human waste. Hence the dumping of trash before select hyperjumps.

The deflector shield generators are likely external because of a combination of simply running out of room in the initial design and considerations for the immense crew. Were a deflector shield generator to overload and cook off inside such a crowded ship, the possible casualties would be considerable.

In contrast, New Republic vessels appear to rely heavily on automation and slave-systems, as their crews are generally only a fraction of what an Imperial vessel's. As such, there was likely more available room to insulate the potentially explosive parts of the ship, in addition to simply having fewer people necessarily near them to begin with.

Also, I would submit that the TIE design philosophy was radically different than that of those used by the Alliance/New Republic. Alliance fighters were designed to take on capital ships, whereas Imperial ones were typically designed to kill off enemy fighters exclusively and let their motherships take on the enemy capital ships.

 

My apologies, but since real life is demanding my attention, i won´t be able to post or visit this thread for the rest of the week, perhaps the next one, too, but i´ll be back.

@Brett:

Ja, "half-automatic", da man das in Deutsch nunmal als "halb-automatisch" bezeichnet. Kann doch mal passieren, wenn man in einer Fremdsprache diskutiert.

I wish you good luck with your finals.

Yours
FTeik

 

Ah, das ist ser gut. Guten nacht, Herr FTeik.


And yes, my German sucks.

I wish you the best with your real life demands as well. May your exams be quick and your papers be short!

 

To good luck to you, to, Brett_Bass.

The Abolisher cruiser is similar to the Interdictor, but its gravity wells operate on different principle.

 

FTeik & Brett: Good luck w/ school. Do well.

Brett: I'd agree w/ your Imperial fighter assessment except that EGVV & other sources list the function of TIE Fighters as "softening up" the defenses of capital ships so that TIE Bombers can pinpoint bomb weapons emplacements, shields, etc. w/ greater accuracy than capital ship weaponry. But the Imperials need massive numbers of fighters/bombers to do so.

Your assessment of Rebel tactics (fighters made to engage capital ships) is spot-on.

 

All this has made me think... does anyone know what the aggregate of individual fanboys posting in this thread actually agrees on? Other than the fact that there's some sort of flub with New Republic Star Destroyer class-names...

Brett, FTeik - enjoy yourselves!

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Question. What would 200 gigatons be in terawatts?

 

Well everyone here is Troy Denning's reply to the question about the Mon Mothma:

"It's been a couple of years since I wrote SbS, so my memory may be a little fuzzy . . . but as I recall, I envisioned the Mon Mothma and her sister ship as Imperial class starships. But I also think it's perfectly reasonable that they were given a new class in TUF. In SbS, they were still experimental; in TUF, they were in production."

So it sounds like his intention was for them to be modified ISD's.

If anything, it does help when you try to visualize them. I still assume that the gravity well projectors are not obvious (ie globes).

 

The question is, "how modified?". Perhaps a new spaceframe? Similar looking or completely the same. Or maybe it is sort of an Enterprise Style upgrade (1701 to the 1701-A class)

 

I still bet it looks alot like ISD.

Besides, Ton_G speaks of untold evils!!!

Star Trek is the enemy!!!!

 

NO...the Vogelscheushe is the enemy "GET IT EDITH"...a family saying!

 

Nick and Ton G:
I'm thinking that the Rejuvenator is, indeed, the class-name for the Mon Mothma Star Destroyers. The only hiccup being that they're produced by Rendili Star Drive. Mayhap the ISD hulls were produced on licence as part of the general technological sharing agreements between the Empire and the New Republic that gave us Republican Imperial IIs at Bilbringi? Also, can we assume that the Empire would also have access to the ships, given the large numbers of RSD Victory Star Destroyers (and presumably Katana-series Dreadnaughts, too)?

T McE:
You raise an interesting question... What do we all agree on here?

The Super Star Destroyers (Executor in particular) remain horrible thorns in our side. The DEAs present no generally-accepted solutions. There are apparently even some issues still lingering about the bloody Imperial-class Star Destroyer and various Mon Cal ships (like the Home One)...

Spike:
That is an interesting question, as 'terawatts of energy' is a phrase that is frequently and consistently used throught the whole series...