Obi-Wan calling Sidious the Emperor

It's been said, but yeah, it's pretty easy. The leader of an Empire is an Emperor. The Republic has become an Empire, so the Chancellor has become an Emperor. You don't really need to make any more of it than that. It works for me.

And the reason Obi-Wan refers to him as Chancellor Palpatine to Padme later on is because he obviously doesn't know how much Padme knows of current events, so calling him the Chancellor was the easiest way to tell her who he's talking about.

Obi-Wan - It seems that the Emperor is behind everything, including the war.

Padme - Emperor? Who's the Emperor?

Obi-Wan - Palpatine. The Chancellor, as it were.

Padme - Since when is he an Emperor?

Obi-Wan - For cryin out- aren't you supposed to be a Senator? Weren't you THERE when Palpatine declared the Republic an Empire? Uh duh!!! The leader of an Empire is called an Emperor!

Padme - I don't think you should assume that just because the Republic is now an Empire that the Chancellor has changed his title to Emperor. That's too big a jump in logic to make, Obi-Wan, especially in the GFFA.

Obi-Wan - Just tell me where the frig Anakin is, woman.

 

The funny thing is, during The Duel Obi-Wan says "Chancellor Palpatine is evil".

 

Yeah, China, I'll agree with that. Sounded stupid at THAT point.

 

Nice find. I was trying to deny it but after what DARTH_CHINA said, it makes sense.

I was thinking that the Emperor had already declared himself before Obi-Wan/Yoda came to the hologram it could make sense. But how could they get word of it?

 

It's a slight mess-up. It will be a classic mess-up in about 10 years, though. Hey, it's Star Wars!



Send me to kill the Emperor
/LM

 

He said "go and bring peace to the empire."
Anakin was bowing to him. One of Obi's education could assume, Ok Empire, the ruler of an Empire is an Emperor.
Plus that's not something to freak about, a lot of people know Palpatine as the Emperor anyway, because that's what they called him in the OT so when the see sidious they call him the Emperor. So a lot of people probably over looked it.
You just have to shrug it off, Empire ruler= Emperor.

 

It's strange because on Mustafar, Obi-Wan tells Anakin that the "Chancellor" is evil. He doesn't use the appelation "Emperor" even though he should.

 

I do believe hat Lucas was trying to make a tie-in with the OT by having Obi-Wan make referance to "the Emperor".

By saying "Chancellor" on Mustafar, perhaps he's trying to appeal to Anakin's feelings and make him realize that the guy he trusted and believed in (the Chancellor) was really a tremendous douche all along.

 

I don't have a problem with the usage of Emperor and Chancellor. The terms are interchangeable at that point if you ask me. Both titles refer to the same evil individual.

 

Agreed.

 

The problem is not that Obi-Wan calls Palpatine the emperor. The problem is he calls him the emperor normally as if he has always been the emperor. There should have been some kind of change or concern or anger in his voice when he first mentions the emperor.

 

185 INT. CORUSCANT-JEDI TEMPLE-CONTROL CENTER-NIGHT

OBI-WAN enters the Main Control Center with YODA and heads for the hologram area.

OBI-WAN: "Wait, Master. There is something I must know . . ."

YODA: "If into the security recordings you go, only pain will you find."

OBI-WAN: "I must know the truth, Master."

OBI-WAN moves to a panel and flips some switches. He sees a HOLOGRAM of ANAKIN slaughtering JEDI, including the YOUNG ONES. OBI-WAN and YODA react.

OBI-WAN: (continuing) "It can't be . . . It can't be . . ."

As ANAKIN surveys the carnage, a DARK-ROBED SITH LORD enters. ANAKIN turns to DARTH SIDIOUS and kneels before him.

ANAKIN: "The traitors have been taken care of, Lord Sidious."

DARTH SlDIOUS: "Good . . . good . . . You have done well, my new apprentice. Do you feel your power growing?"

ANAKIN: "Yes, My Master."

DARTH SlDIOUS: "Now, Lord Vader, now go and bring peace to the Empire."


That's how Obi-wan knows that he's the Emperor. He refers to the Republic now as an Empire, hours before his speech in the Senate.

 

The funny thing is, during The Duel Obi-Wan says "Chancellor Palpatine is evil".

The funny thing about this line is not the use of the word "Chancellor," but how Obi-Wan has just had it in terms of reasoning with Anakin and says the most obvious thing, as if Anakin will go "Oh, you know what, you're right, he IS evil. Let's stop fighting and hug."

Another favorite obvious-guy line:
"I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi"

 

i think he should have said sidious instead of the emperor. did he even realize palpatine was sidious/the emperor??? how could he have recognized palpatine's face?

 

He knows, remember he tells Padme that the Chancellor is behind everything.

How he know this, well...um...darth-sinsiter, ideas?

 

He knows, remember he tells Padme that the Chancellor is behind everything.

How he know this?

I think that Obi was recalling what Dooku told him when he was held captive.

Dooku: "What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of a Dark Lord of the Sith?"

Obi: "No that's not possible, the Jedi would be aware of it."

Dooku: "The Dark Side of the Force, has clouded their vision my friend. Hundred's of Senators are now under the influence of a Sith Lord called Darth Sidious."

Obi: "I don't believe you."

Dooku: "The Viceroy of the Trade Federation was once in league with this Darth Sidious.
But he was betrayed, 10 years ago, by the Dark Lord. He came to me for help, told me everything. You must join me Obi Wan, and together, we'll destroy the Sith."

So Obi finally learned in ROTS that Palps was Sidious, which means that Palpatine/Sidious was the one playing both sides, and he told that to Padme.

 

The answer is simple. Obiwan really IS that quick.

 

Nice and tidy. However, if we are to take your sarcasm as it is, Obiwan had no problem in calling him Emperor right away with Yoda but why would he bother to call him Chancellor for Padme's sake? The whole point of my post is its not written very well. And spare me the duh its just a movie who cares bit. We're here to discuss and critique it, if you weren't here to do that I'm not really sure why you'd even bother posting. There's no doubt here that Lucas must have had a 6th grade english student write this dialogue into the movie. They helped with the "romance" parts too.

 

it is not plot hole or anything ...

but common sense suggest that at that instant Ob1 has better things than try to get Palpatine's new title right when he is having a heart-to-heart discussion with Yoda on hostile territory (coruscant)

if i was OB1, my main concern would not to say to call him Emperor, a man who i am served for the past 13 years as chancellor. i would have said to Yoda "Send me to kill this Sith Lord"
or "Send me to kill Palpatine" Ob1 should be mad at the name Palpatine who twisted his best buddy and fooled the jedi for the past 13 years.


i felt in that scene something else was missing... there should have been a recap between OB1 and Yoda on the fact that Palpatine=Sidious!!!

 

Who cares what obi wan calls palpatine...Emperor seems suitable. And Anyway Palpatine already declared the republic into the Empire. So for example its like...not calling them by their proper title etc.

 

Who cares what obi wan calls palpatine...Emperor seems suitable. And Anyway Palpatine already declared the republic into the Empire. So for example its like...not calling them by their proper title etc. He needs to call Palpatine the Emperor. If he said Chancellor that would be weird..And yeah he says Chancellor Palpatine in Mustafar when he talks to Anakin because he wanted to know how he would react etc.

 

well my dear friend, i dont want to start an argument BUT technically speaking (anot refering to Star Wars ROTS, which got it wrong)
==>

a Republic can be transform to an Empire
BUT
a Chancellor (head of Government) cannot be retitleed as an Emperor (head of State)

though if you are President

a President (head of State) can be retitleed as an Emperor (head of State)



different titles of Heads of Government

Prime Minister
Chief Minister
Chairman of the Council of Ministers
Grand Vizier
Chancerllor
First Minister of Court

different titles of Heads of State

President
King
Duke
Emperor
Empress
Queen

etc.
etc.

Lucas when he wrote the PT should have left Palpatine's position as it was in his original script (president of republic), but he changed it to chancellor trying to re-echo Hitler's rise

 

The funny thing about this line is not the use of the word "Chancellor," but how Obi-Wan has just had it in terms of reasoning with Anakin and says the most obvious thing, as if Anakin will go "Oh, you know what, you're right, he IS evil. Let's stop fighting and hug."

I think we can best sum up the dialogue during the duel as

OBI-WAN: Is too!
ANAKIN: Is not!
OBI-WAN: IS TOO!!
ANAKIN: IS NOT!!

 

You are VERY CORRECT in both assumptions

 

yeah the hologram answers everything. Its so obvious... Empire=Emperor