Obi-Wan Kenobi - Since before you were born

I have already defeated your argument in my last post, and I'd bet most in here would agree with me.

Oh, ok. Why not...

Let me get this TOTALLY straight. Now you so-called continuity hounds are meaning that AFTER Luke popped out of Padme, you are saying that Obi-Wan could NEVER, EVER once be called "Obi-Wan" to his face, even in one single instance? Is that what you are saying?

Uh... No.

The only person who who is shown calling him that after the twins were born is Padme. Yoda referred to him as "Master Kenobi". And obviously the Lars knew Ben Kenobi used to be called Obi-Wan from the look they give each other when Luke mentions the name Obi-Wan he heard from the droids.

Yes. Yes. And yes.

"Going by" a name is one thing. Being called it is another.

Correct. I think I said that the last time I had this discussion.

My wife was called by her maiden name for a while after we were married, even though she wasn't "going by" that name anymore.

No problem! I agree! So that means that people who already knew her,
called her by her maiden name even after the change. Got it.

Again, she hadn't gone by that maiden name since before we were married.

No, that's not accurate. BEFORE you were married she was still GOING BY her madien name.
She didn't STOP going by her maiden name until AFTER you were married.

GONE BY means, when they introduce themselves, the say "Hello, my name is..."

But she was still called that maiden name afterwards on more than one occasion.

Right, like Padme calling Obi Wan - Obi Wan.

Obi-Wan's statement was true from ANY point of view.

No. Based on what's seen on screen, he never stops going by Obi Wan, nor is it implied.
That's a fact. There's no argument. Sorry. Then when he says "I haven't gone by the name of..." in ANH,
people will go "Huh? That's not true. He didn't stop going by Obi Wan until he got to Tattooine, which was
AFTER Luke was born."

Is it a big deal? NO! Is it a fact? YES!

VFD
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i have defeated him in many posts as well, but like palpatine, he refuses to concede defeat.

Padmeluva - You've never even made me sweat. You've made me LAUGH though...

VFD

 

My friend Brenda has only seen I - III. She's gonna see IV - VI on Thursday with me. When she sees what Obi-Wan says, she'll either assume that he's lying to Luke, hasn't really gone by the name of Obi-Wan, or realize that he doesn't want to realize too much. When I come here and tell you that, I really hope you drop this and be quiet.

 

Really it's just an expression to say how long the time was. Since before you were born would probably be about 18 years or so. No one says " Oh, no one has called me that for 17 years, 2 months, 3 days, and 14 hours. " You simply use just a general time frame to get the vague idea. Like saying " Oh i haven't used my real name since elementary school "

 

"I haven't gone by the name of..." in ANH,
people will go "Huh? That's not true. He didn't stop going by Obi Wan until he got to Tattooine, which was
AFTER Luke was born."

If you have to be 100% literal about it. can you remember every detail from twenty years ago?, i confuse events that far back, so can Obi.

 

"Then when he says "I haven't gone by the name of..." in ANH,
people will go "Huh? That's not true. He didn't stop going by Obi Wan until he got to Tattooine, which was
AFTER Luke was born."


i honestly belive they'll say...

"yah, hes been in hiding ever since luke was born, i bet he started introducing himself as ben. that means the last time someone knew him as obi wan, was before luke was born"

 

he goes under a alias for twenty years. that is a fact. why is it so important that he do it just before the twins are born.technically nobody besides Yoda calls him ObiWan in the movie after the twins are born. sorry but it IS close enough. for me at least( and i'm sure most of the viewers as well)

 

"No. Based on what's seen on screen, he never stops going by Obi Wan, nor is it implied."

would you believe its implied it would be in obi wan's best interest to not get noticed while on tatooine?
because it is.

combine this with the fact that its implied he is going by a false alias in ANH, it makes sense. im sorry that you dont see it, either because you just cant, or refuse to.

 

we are on the same page here. I was talking in a literal sense.

 

Obi-Wan lies when he drinks. He was drunk at that moment. He found Luke because he was on his way back from a Mos Eisley pub.

Obi-Wan has a penchant for Beer Pong. Of course, he is very good at it as he is a Jedi.

You see boys and girls, Ben Kenobi is what we call an alcoholic.

People ask, why did he suck in the saber battle abourd the Death Star...you would suck to if you had spent the last twenty years at the bottom of a Glen Livett bottle.

 

Hey I know this is way off topic, but can anyone suggest about how may years were rots and anh set apart. This way it kind of tells you the age of certain characters, such as ani, luke, and leia.

 

twenty?

 

Alex: "Lord Tantalus?"

Me: "What is nineteen years."

Alex: "Correct, nineteen years between Revenge of the Sith and a New Hope. You pick again."

Me: "I'll take swords for 500."

 

I suppose that's right. I presume then that Anakin/Vader is in his early 40's.

 

Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace = Year 0
Anakin Skywalker - Nearly 10 years old
Obi-Wan Kenobi - 25 years old
Padme` Naberrie - 14 years old
Senator/Chancellor Palpatine - Approximately 50 years old
Yoda - 864 years old

Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones = Year 10
Anakin Skywalker - 20 years old
Obi-Wan Kenobi - 35 years old
Padme` Naberrie-Skywalker - 24 years old
Chancellor Palpatine - Approximately 60 years old
Yoda - 874 years old
Boba Fett - 10 years old

Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith = Year 13
Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader - 23 years old
Obi-Wan Kenobi - 38 years old
Padme` Naberrie-Skywalker - 27 years old
Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine - Approximately 63 years old
Yoda - 877 years old
Chewbacca - Approximately 181 years old
Luke Skywalker - 0 years old
Leia Organa - 0 years old

Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope = Year 32
Luke Skywalker - 19 years old
Leia Organa - 19 years old
Han Solo - 29 years old
Obi-Wan Kenobi - 57 years old
Darth Vader - 42 years old
Grand Moff/Governor Wilhuff Tarkin - 60 years old
Chewbacca - 200 years old
Boba Fett - 32 years old

Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back = Year 35
Luke Skywalker - 22 years old
Leia Organa - 22 years old
Han Solo - 32 years old
Darth Vader - 45 years old
Yoda - 899 years old
Emperor Palpatine - Approximately 85 years old
Chewbacca - 203 years old
Boba Fett - 35 years old

Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi = Year 36
Luke Skywalker - 23 years old
Leia Organa - 23 years old
Han Solo - 33 years old
Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker - 46 years old
Emperor Palpatine - Approximately 86 years old
Yoda - 900 years old
Chewbacca - 204 years old
Boba Fett - 36 years old

This can be deduced because it has been said numerous times, and can be seen on the inside cover of every EU book, that The Phantom Menace takes place 32 years before A New Hope. Attack of the Clones takes place 10 years after that and Revenge of the Sith takes place 3 years after that, making it take place 19 years before A New Hope. This also makes the story very symmetrical. Anakin becomes Vader at the age of 23 and Vader becomes Anakin at the age of 46, making him spend 23 years as Anakin and 23 as Vader. Also, Luke is 23 in Return of the Jedi, the same age as Anakin in Revenge of the Sith and is pitted with similar decisions. It's intentional.

 

No. Based on what's seen on screen, he never stops going by Obi Wan, nor is it implied. I guess we have seen different movies.
That's a fact. There's no argument. Sorry. Then when he says "I haven't gone by the name of..." in ANH

people will go "Huh? That's not true. He didn't stop going by Obi Wan until he got to Tattooine, which was
AFTER Luke was born."
Hardly anyone would question it. He went by the name Obi-Wan before Luke was born. He went by the name of Ben after he was born. How does this absolutely contradict anything?

 

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[i]My wife was called by her maiden name for a while after we were married, even though she wasn't "going by" that name anymore.[/i]

[b]No problem! I agree! So that means that people who already knew her,
called her by her maiden name even after the change. Got it.[/b]

[i]Again, she hadn't gone by that maiden name since before we were married.[/i]

[b]No, that's not accurate. BEFORE you were married she was still GOING BY her madien name.
She didn't STOP going by her maiden name until AFTER you were married.

GONE BY means, when they introduce themselves, the say "Hello, my name is..."[/b]

[i]But she was still called that maiden name afterwards on more than one occasion.[/i]

[b]Right, like Padme calling Obi Wan - Obi Wan.[/b]

[i]Obi-Wan's statement was true from ANY point of view.
[/i]
[b]No. Based on what's seen on screen, he never stops going by Obi Wan, nor is it implied.
That's a fact. There's no argument. Sorry. Then when he says "I haven't gone by the name of..." in ANH, people will go "Huh? That's not true. He didn't stop going by Obi Wan until he got to Tattooine, which was AFTER Luke was born."[/b] [hr][/blockquote]

This is really funny and I advise everyone to reread this and see the blatant contradiction being made.

The fiancee went by her maiden name before the marriage. After the marriage, she personally went by her married name despite people referring to her by her maiden name.

[b]vaderfandan[/b], you say [i]"gone by"[/i] means personally introducing oneself by a particular name. After she's married, the wife goes by her married name. When someone mentions her maiden name, she can say [b]"I haven't gone by that name since, oh, before I was married."[/b] This is a true statement because the last time she introduced herself by her maiden name was BEFORE she was married. After she was married, she went by her married name.

The same holds true for Ben.

Show me in ROTS where Obi-Wan personally introduces himself as Obi-Wan Kenobi after the twins are born. Because to make your claims accurate, Obi-Wan would have had to personally go by the name Obi-Wan - [b]when meeting new people[/b] - after the twins are born.

You have no evidence he used the name Obi-Wan in this manner after the twins were born. In ANH, he says he did not. According to ROTS, he never introduces himself as Obi-Wan after the twins are born, and according to ANH he goes by the name Ben until Luke finds out his real name.

 

OK people raise your hand if you've ever exaggerated about anumber in reference to time, money, distance or ANYTHING that has to do with numbers. He's old and senile, "Your powers are weak old man" Vader could sense that Obi Wan was not as strong with the force as they once were. What's all the biz about Maiden name and all that other JIVE. The subject is about Obi Wans memory. Did your parents ever tell you how they walked twenty miles in the snow uphill both ways to school without a coat? Precisely......old people.....they're dangerous

 

Well, Ben's statement doesn't have to be taken figuratively or loosely - it can be, but it is tight as a dish as Chewie just mapped out above, and as other posters, including myself have mapped out.

But let's see...

1.) It has been proven literally true based on ROTS and AHN and even vaderfandan's own parameters...
2.) It has been shown loosely true based on the approximate 20-year timeline...
3.) It has been shown true "from a certain point of view" where Ben is hiding exact details...
4.) It has been shown true based on idiomatic expression...
5.) It has been shown acceptable based on age and alcohol...

There are countless ways to interpret and accept Ben's statement, both literally and figuratively, so the real question is why can't you bring yourself to accept the truth? Why can't you let go of your preconceived notions about what the PT would focus on and accept that you were wrong about the relevence of the statement - exactly true, approximately correct, figuratively acceptable, true from a certain point of view - completely non-disruptive to the flow of ANH?

It's over.

 

There are countless ways to interpret and accept Ben's statement, both literally and figuratively, so the real question is why can't you bring yourself to accept the truth? Why can't you let go of your preconceived notions about what the PT would focus on and accept that you were wrong about the relevence of the statement - exactly true, approximately correct, figuratively acceptable, true from a certain point of view - completely non-disruptive to the flow of ANH?

It's over.

Well said, now I think it's time for bed..... maybe it's all in our head..... we can see the OT again instead...our lightsabers can be the color red....hopefully Aniken will not be dead.....

 

[bBut let's see...

1.) It has been proven literally true based on ROTS and AHN and even vaderfandan's own parameters...
2.) It has been shown loosely true based on the approximate 20-year timeline...
3.) It has been shown true "from a certain point of view" where Ben is hiding exact details...
4.) It has been shown true based on idiomatic expression...
5.) It has been shown acceptable based on age and alcohol...
][/b]

Dont forget its also been shown true in the PT that Obi-Wan screws up the facts, ie the Gundalks nest story.

 

This is the finest example of wallowing in minutie I have ever seen.

 

Help me.

Spiderman gets bitten by a spider OK?, but when he develops web spraying abilities why does it come from his wrist and not his ass?

Help me enjoy these films.

 

Christ - some of you people will argue the far end of a fart.

Ben Kenobi - the old guy who Luke knows, who lived in humble accomodation beyond the Dune Sea - used to go by the name of Obi-Wan.
He has not gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before Luke was born.

Keyword - "oh".
"oh" signifies rough estimate, general idea, approximately, roughly...
It is just an general statement, to give Luke an idea that the name is as old as Luke himself, so he won't have heard it.

"I haven't gone by the name Obi-Wan since two weeks and three days after you were born."
People just don't talk that way.
"I haven't gone by the name of Obi-Wan since after I brought you here to live wi-- damn, you didn't know I brought you here."
Yeah right - like he's going to go into detail.

Around the time Luke was born was the same time, obviously, Obi had to live in seclusion on Tatooine and change his name.
It contradicts nothing unless you are Mr Anal Pedant of Literalsville.
It does not need explaining at all.
Obi goes to Tatooine and is known as Ben from thereon in.

 

Christ - some of you people will argue the far end of a fart.



he he, Now that is a good point!

 

Because the films would be rated NC-17.