Can anyone explain the exact logistics of this plot point and how it fits with the TFA forceback? Did he kill Reys parents on Jakku and the fly off and she saw the ship flying off?
And why did he have a dagger with the location of the way finder? Did he need to find it to get to Exegol? Hadn't he come from Exegol?
Erh... my basic understanding from the film was that he had to locate young Rey and bring her back to Palpatine, but he himself had never been to Exegol, so was effectively following the same treasure hunt that older Rey was. Rey’s parents had dropped her off on Jakku, and Ochi found them, killed them and stole their ship. He then went to the desert planet depicted in TROS (not sure of the reason), and on the way back to/from his ship, he got caught in the quicksand and died. Someone will tell me I’m completely wrong, but that’s my understanding from seeing the film once.
There's a strong "he had to hunt down the Wayfinder and found it on Kef Bir" theme in the Visual Dictionary. So I'd agree that he's almost certainly not from Exegol originally. My guess is that he became aware that Luke and Lando were tailing him - headed to Pasaana, in an attempt to throw them off, and that's why his ship's there. I'm not sure if the ship was originally theirs or his. Maybe they came to Jakku in some other ship, were killed in the Bestoon Legacy, but never actually possessed it?
He needed way more background info. They were talking about Ochie as if we just knew who he was and what he did.
Everything you need to know is in the Visual Dictionary, Ochi is a member of the cult Sith Eternal, they are the ones responsible for resurrecting Palpatine. Sometime after they resurrected Palpatine, Palps sends Ochi to kill his son and daughter-in-law and bring Rey to him on Exogol. Ochi fails to catch up with them before Rey is left with Unkar on Jakku and jets off after them again. Where he catches up with them isn't explained specifically. The ship seems to be his, D-O appears to be his droid and as stated above, after killing Rey's parents he got wind of Luke and Lando on his trail and headed to Pasanna to hide out for a while. I think he was either in possession of a wayfinder or of means to travel to Exogol as a member of the Sith Eternal but it's not clear or not thought of being important enough to be explained.
I don't think we needed any more background info at all. We never really got specific explanations where characters come from, instead being dropped in and being treated as if we already knew what was going on is how Star Wars has always been, so why would it be any different here? He was a side character, we got told what he did. That's really all that was needed. He's like Forrestal, the rival to Indy that gets mentioned in Raiders of the Lost Ark. We never met him, we don't know who he is or where he came from, just that he went after stuff and died in the temple that you see at the beginning, That's what these characters are for. They are supposed to add some detail and depth to the story, not be some sort of greatly expanded character we need to know everything about.
I like this part of the story! It's a satisfying resolution. I also like how they expand the universe of related planet names: Bespin Bestine Bestoon Nantoon Nantooine? Dantooine Tatooine Klatooine etc.
May I help to clear your doubts with what I understood from the film, having seen it 4 times. I think I got these points correctly, but of course I can be mistaken. Erh... my basic understanding from the film was that he had to locate young Rey and bring her back to Palpatine, Correct. but he himself had never been to Exegol, so was effectively following the same treasure hunt that older Rey was. Luke and Lando were following the trail of Ochi of Bestoon because he had a rumored "key" to Exegol, which we learn it was in the dagger. Ochi himself probably knew how to go to Exegol, as he was a Sith Loyalist. Rey’s parents had dropped her off on Jakku, and Ochi found them, killed them Correct and stole their ship. That ship was Ochi's. D-O was inside and he was Ochi's droid, and I think that Lando says it was Ochi's ship. When Rey enters that ship, she has a feeling and a vision, and she recalls this ship from her memories of when their parents were taken from her on Jakku. If it were her family's ship she would have immediately recognized it. Additionally, she feels that the dagger has made terrible things, which is correct as it was that same dagger that killed her parents. He then went to the desert planet depicted in TROS (not sure of the reason), and on the way back to/from his ship, he got caught in the quicksand and died. Pasaana. Ochi was in there as he was not able to find Rey and was being tracked by Luke and Lando. When being pursued by them and trying to return to his ship, Ochi was trapped in the quicksand and died. Someone will tell me I’m completely wrong, but that’s my understanding from seeing the film once You got most right, just these smaller details that become easy to get on additional viewings.
I think the VD says Ochi stole the ship from somebody - but that somebody doesn't have to be them. D-O belonged to a previous owner.
That dagger was for Rey to find. It had to be taken from Ochi. Ben/Kylo says Palpatine gave the order to kill her 'father', and that was Ochi's role. He could be disposed of after that. Maybe Palpatine gave that order too. The dagger had to go as far as Luke went and be left there for princess Palpatine to pick it up. I mean, in the film is not explained what happened to Ochi. Only bones. It was a grave, and people are already dead when they go into their graves.
I thought he'd simply slipped through the quicksand like Rey did, attacked the snake, and been killed by it. Perhaps that gouge that Rey healed, was inflicted by him?
The same. Or he was made to slip after being shot while he was over the quicksand in his landspeeder. The cave systems and its predators are a feature of those deserts, according to the VD. Whoever did it (in this theory) knew the place. What is that about D-O and a previous owner? Is that in the VD too?
I'm pretty sure Finn or Poe supposed to shoot it but that was cut so it is kinda just wounded for no reason.
The narrative reason is to invoke the Androcles Lion trope - wounded animal is helped, it helps them back (by breaking the wall and letting them out, in this case).
Hm. 'Palpatine gave the order', says Ben/Kylo to Rey. In the VD, Ochi was not a mere 'relic hunter in the employ of the Empire's most sinister agents. He was also an assasin' This sounds like Ochi didn't act on his own, but doesnt seem as if he could talk face to face to Palpatine either. He was employed. There was someone else. 'The Empire's most sinister agents', at that time, would have been the KOR I guess. In the Rise of Kylo Ren comics they are already around. A barely adolescent Ben Solo,accompanied by Luke, knows about them and their leader. And they are shown trying to recruit another KOR. The clan leader was listed as a KOR in the TFA credits. Maybe he was, or knew, Ochi's direct employer and/or betrayer. In the TFA vision, the clan leader/KOR is stabbed by Kylo. Then he walks towards somone behind adult Rey. That's not Jakku, and Rey would have been 12-13 at the time. And that's not adult Rey, who's in Maz's castle. Then adult Rey turns in the vision...and her little self and Ochi's ship appear. (That someone behind Rey seems to be wearing a cape, like the one Rey's 'mother' wears in the TROS flashback)
My point is that Ochi was a hired hand, 'employed'. He could have been employed by the KOR or by other acolytes of higher rank, whatever. His hand, the hand with the dagger in it, had to be that of a nobody. Whatever trail he left, it had to die with him, and the better way to be sure about that - if you are his employer- is to get rid of him once he had played his part. Only the dagger and the crime inscribed in it were important. As for jedi killer...Luke was the only jedi at the time. And Ochi was not even FS. Not a chance. So that has some other meaning. One of them is sinister, and would involve the killing of FS children, or their kidnapping/use. Lando says 'an old jedi hunter'. 'We were being hunted', says Harrison Ford in Blade Runner 2049 about his special child. 'I didn’t want our child found, taken apart, dissected' Sounds like this thing with baby Yoda a few years before Rey was born.
Who are part of The Sith Eternal, and you have the Final Order and First Order which are the military part of the Sith. Then you have the Knights of Ren, the enforcers who Snoke seems to believe worked for him, then the Acolytes of the Beyond who are more or less sychophants of Palps that do his bidding. I guess it's a little confusing having all these factions within Palps Sith Empire, some being covert and others overt.
But not quite as confusing as the various factions that made up the Separatist Alliance in the Prequels. At least the OT only had the Empire and the Rebels.
