Full Series Official Darth Vader in Rebels Discussion Thread

How does Kanan know Vader is a Sith Lord? I mean we have established a red saber and black cloth is not enough... Does he feel it?

Anyway, I really like Vader and how well he works in the show. It just feels and looks right:

 

He can sense it. He even says that.

"Tell me Agent Kallus, how do you get such impressive sideburns? Truly it must be the will of the Force."

 

I just thought he was pausing to give a look that said: "THANK YOU, LORD VADER. MY LIFE IS SO FREAKING AWESOME RIGHT NOW!"

I have been wondering why Vader didn't choke that Admiral. He screwed up massively. Maybe force choking incompetent underlings is something he came to gradually?

 

Maybe he just knows how Vader look like, I mean it's not like Vader's existence is a secret or something.

 

I took it as he knew that something intriguing was about to happen, if Vader ordered everyone out. He just didn't know exactly what it was.

 

Well the only guy that he Force choked in ANH was Motti, and that was for running his mouth a little too long. He had that Imperial guy questioning his decisions at the beginning, and he simply explained his reasoning instead of killing the guy. IDK, maybe Tarkin getting killed/the Death Star getting blown up made him extra grumpy moving forward.

 

This is what I think because in Tarkin a trooper failed him repeatedly and Vader never seems like he was going to choke him.

 

I think it'd be plausible that Vader would try to turn Ahsoka, maybe his Ver. 1 trail of trying to turn Luke. the "Darth Vader" / "Star Wars" books pretty clearly show the discovery of Luke and Sidious making replacements drove him fully into "grab Luke, make him his apprentice" but it's possible he did try it before. It just won't work / turn out badly. I think the way Vader would "Care" for his former apprentice would be to try to twist her into a tool that he can use, maybe another Inquisitor. His response when he found her was "the apprentice lives" and stopped trying to blow them up. He definitely sees her as valuable, inasmuch that he won't instantly blow her out of the sky.

 

Yes, but he choked and killed someone in ESB. He only didn't kill Motti because Tarkin told him to knock it off.

 

Motti was choked specifically because he was questioning the Force though. It wasn't (just) a competence thing, the dude was basically saying Vader was all mouth, no trousers. So he decided to show him just how impressive the trousers really were (I may have overextended the metaphor a little.) And in the case of the ESB admiral, from the dialogue it seems the dude had screwed up repeatedly, not to mentioning directly countermanding Vader's own orders as to where to attack from, neither of which you can say about the poor tractor beam operator.

Vader's not necessarily going to choke a dude for making one mistake, unless perhaps he's in a really bad mood. Make the same mistake twice though and that's a throttling.

 

I think the reason that Vader didn't choke Crest in Tarkin, was because he was a Clone. Anakin served with the clones and formed close bonds with many of them.

As for why the admiral wasn't choked, well his voice actor was Dee Bradley Baker. Voice of the Clones.

 

I believe, similar to ESB, some conversations between Vader and Emperor are secret.

 

Oh they clearly are. It's why he cleared the room beforehand, and why he talked to Sheev in his private Star Destroyer chambers in ESB.

I think that, while the other Imperials are aware of the general "we hunt down any surviving Jedi" thing, the specifics are kept between Sheev and Vader (well Tarkin MIGHT have been in on at least some of it as well). And of course the "Anakin Skywalker" stuff is also secret.

 

Yeah, pretty sure that the 'official' line is that there aren't any Jedi any more, okay? They are no more. They've ceased to be. They were totally wiped out, end of story. The few that do turn up now and again are dealt with by the Inquisition and quickly swept under the rug. Vader's REAL purpose on Lothal is the secret that Tua found out before she... went to pieces. And depending on his rank, Kallus might not even know exactly what that purpose is... yet.

 

Why does Kallus give Vader a strange look when he exits the bridge before he speaks to the Emperor? It implies a questioning on his part. I have a feeling Agent Kallus will eventually be killed by Vader. He clearly thinks that he is buddy buddy with Vader, when the truth eventually be revealed.

 

I think he was surprised to see Vader.

 

I think the reason Vader was killing-off Imperials left and right in ESB is plain: Vader was "obsessed with finding young Skywalker." The capture of Luke was of utmost, absolute, supreme importance to the man. The amount of rope Vader could afford his men was never shorter than it was at the time.

 

I'm suspecting Kallus is noticing some sort of emotional compromise in Lord Vader that may be why he gives him such a strange look on the bridge. Perhaps he sees Darth Vader's connection to the Force as a weakness and liability to the Empire. Perhaps he seeks to undermine him in this way.

 

Director told him, if he felt something it must've gave him the runs via a case of IBS.

There is no clear answer how. Unless somewhere /sometime off camera Vader was some propaganda poster and newsreel figurehead of the Empire. Sith were known as the bad guys so it would be hard for Vader to be a public figure outside of the military and government, that farse wont stick to the Core worlds especially being that believe Palpatine's propaganda and his version of history. he would've had to come out and claim the Sith saved his life or something like this and thats not a sure thing even if he controls the media and government officials the populations would have to severely duped and under martial law. If not it would be hard for Kanan to be sure he was an actual Sith Lord, and somehow separate Vader from The Inquisitor he faced who also routinely defeated him. The episode just basically shows Kanan had no strength against Vader, and more the writers making it known verbally he's no match against him - although he was already no match against the Inquisitor either...until he had no fear but he's got fear back again I suppose.

 

I don't think Kanan should've been so sure that Vader was a Sith. He should've said that the Dark Side was so strong with this guy that he could be a Sith Lord, the ancient enemy of the Jedi. Would've worked better as dialogue.

One other minor thing, I would've preferred Kanan etc to only point out the extreme anger & hatred they could sense from Vader, not fear. Anakin was consumed by fear but everything I know & have read about Vader during his prime suggests that he was consumed by bitterness, anger, self loathing & pure hatred. Not really any fear at this point because he has nothing to lose (until Luke shows up). This is shown well by his actions in attacking a squad of Rebel ships by himself. Don't think having the crew say they could sense his fear was a good choice.

 

Kallus is ambitious. Like the old EU, many Imperial Officers tried to buddy up with Vader - in hope of career progress.

 

Do you think Kallus knows about the secret on Lothal ?

 

I think that's an astute observation. And for the reasons you state, the only "fear" I'd have preferred that anyone sense at the time would have been their own.

My take (and I know it sounds cynical)? "The fear, the anger, the hate..." Another example of Rebels doing what Rebels does and just quoting famous elements from the films.

I'm honestly surprised they didn't manage to squeeze the word "suffering" in there, too.

 

Unfortunately, they sometimes use these quotes without any deeper thoughts put into it.

Vorax
"Outside of politics and military"? That's a funny phrasing and in itself makes clear that Vader must be a known figure by now. You can't usually exist as mystery person in the military, especially if you're at the top.

 

I don't know.

But what do we think that secret may be?

It's either gotta be the something completely new or...

Spoiler

Right?

Oh, it would be so cool to visit the DS-1 while under construction.