Official Destiny's Way Thread (Traitor, Destiny's Way Spoilers)

Is it my imagination, or does it seem like Nom Anor is going to screw the Vong over in the end? I mean his constant usage of "infidel" terms is alarming (and yes I know he was in the galaxy for many years) and it seems like he's on borrowed time with the rest of the Vong...

 

Is it my imagination, or does it seem like Nom Anor is going to screw the Vong over in the end? I mean his constant usage of "infidel" terms is alarming (and yes I know he was in the galaxy for many years) and it seems like he's on borrowed time with the rest of the Vong...

Perhaps greater than anyone would have thought...

Spoilers: Nom Anor infiltrates a meeting of worker caste and Shamed Ones in a heretical worship service. They have a basis, but no clear leadership or doctrine. WJW sets up a future plotline for Nom Anor becoming this leader to guide the Shamed Ones and Workers against his enemies, be they the New Republic, but more likely, the upper castes (Shapers, Priests, Warriors, Intendants).

To top things off he falls prey to a New Republic disinformation campaign and leads the Yuuzhan Vong straight into their greatest defeat. At the Battle of Ebaq a collection of Yuuzhan Vong battlegroups (think Battle Plan Coruscant size) is wiped out. Warmaster Tsavong Lah is killed by Jaina Solo during the conflict, and Nom Anor himself kills, or at least renders unconcious, High Prefect Yoog Skell. By the end of the novel Shimrra has declared Nom Anor an enemy of the Yuuzhan Vong people.

 

Excellent, I always kind of liked Nom Anor, he's so corrupt...

 

Yes! Now Nom's gonna get his!

 

Ooh, now everyone wants a piece of Nom Anor. And I bet that Shimrra won't be disappointed if he were to find out that Mara kills Nom Anor in a future book. Here's hoping.

 

Finally. Here's what's happened in the NJO so far.

Nom Anor: Whoops, I screwed up. But I've thought of a way to make amends.
Tsavong: See to it, Executor. But don't fail me again. Or else.
Nom Anor: ::screws up::
Nom Anor: Whoops, I screwed up again. But I've thought of a way to make amends.
Tsavong: See to it, Executor. But don't fail me again. Or else.
Nom Anor: ::screws up::
Nom Anor: Whoops, I screwed up again. But I've thought of a way to make amends.
Tsavong: See to it, Executor. To make sure you don't fail me again, I'm saddling you with a partner. Don't screw up again. Or else.
Nom Anor: ::screws up::
Nom Anor: Whoops, I screwed up again. But I've thought of a way to make amends.
Tsavong: See to it, Executor. But don't fail me again. Or else.
Nom Anor: ::screws up::
Tsavong: ::gets himself killed::
Shimmra: Executor, else is now upon you.
Nom Anor: What else is new?

 

I need to get DW!!!

I don't know what I'll do without it!!!








Hi chiss_man!!!!

 

Let me ask a question now:Walter John Williams said that in DW that the probelm with troops and officers fighting will be solved,does the NR use Clones?or is it their allies that help them solve this?or do they force the Refugee's to fight by threatening them with death if they dont?

 

unfair, DW isnt out till tuesday at the borders near me

so what happens in it then????
(jk).........((sorta))

Nom Anor being the anti-hero eh??? interesting...

 

Droids and fresh recruits (a lot of refugees looking to get a share of vengeance).

 

So let me get this straight?

Williams put nonforcesensetive bureaucrats on the Jedi Council?

Has Luke been passing around Vergere's crack pipe?

 

Charlemagne, its because Luke realizes what happened to the old Jedi - they weren't as involved in the Old Republic and look what happened to them.


I like the makeup of the Jedi Council. Its satisfactory.

 

They weren't as involved in the Old Republic

* They are the galaxy's entire military

* They report directly to the Galactic Senate

* They report directly to the Supreme Chancellor

* They pushed aside the Chosen One for the election of a New Supreme Chancellor

They were FAR TOO MUCH INVOLVED in the Galactic Republic's politics. Those who are not Jedi by no means have any rights, means, or purpose in regulating the affairs of the Jedi.

Kyp Duroun as a Jedi master should not have to answer to bureaucrats. The Jedi deserve the right to administrate their own affairs.

Break off all contact with the Republic and answer to the Senate if they have to but NO NO *NO* they need to immediately expell the other members.

I mean I respect Mon Mothma as a person but what business has she whether or not I take this padawan

 

Sounds great, but what exactly happens regarding Jacen's love life in the book? ?

JMA

 

So the head of state, head of intelligence and chief of the general staff are all bureaucrats incapable of working together with the Jedi for the greater good?

By that definition Charlemagne Wedge, Ackbar, Leia are all bureaucrats. It seems you are using the term 'bureaucrat' to apply to any non force sensitive person having a view on the Jedi, and in a way that is insulting as it implies first they will be hostile to the Jedi and second they are incapable of working well.

Here's a great example of bureaucracy: ObiWan is seeking Kamino, he is told by the librarian if it isn't it the library, it doesn't exist. Aha! A Jedi Bureaucrat!

Where this fixation with bureaucracy comes from and the idea that bureaucracy = politics is a mystery to me. As for the suspicion of permanent administrative staff that serve multiple governments, in a non-political fashion, seems no one in the US has ever contemplated the idea. People can work together for an objective good you know. Even of different backgrouds and beliefs.

JB

 

Very well, I was all for Major(s) Solo but this is ridiculous. This is the Jedi Knighthood reducing their force sensetive (force trained) Jedi Knight council made of individuals responsible for judging matters of the Force, individuals training, and appropriate punishments adding people whose positions in no way gaurentee them an understanding of the deeper spiritual and philosophical issues at work.

*gratitous satire ahead*

Pope John Paul the Second: It is my purpose to now speak against...

George W. Bush Jr: Ahem your Holiness, we need to talk to you about this whole "against war" thing.

Tony Blair: Yeah it doesn't work, frankly speaking we need to alter it.

Cardinal: It is the subject of the New testament to turn the other cheek...

George W. Bush Jr: Yes that's kind of ambigious. Instead we'd like to interpret that as slapping the man. His other cheek, get it?

Tony blair: Yes and we'd like to propose that we remove priests from nations unallied to the First World.

General Powell: And personally add something about not deflaming the 1st world in any government issue regarding united military action.

The Jedi Council by no means should be a part of the New Republic government because it implies the Jedi are civil servants; they are not. They are servants of the Force and while the Republic serves the will of the Force as the Jedi percieve it, it is not essentially devoted to these goals but the will of the collective masses.

No one can serve two masters

 

The Jedi Council by no means should be a part of the New Republic government because it implies the Jedi are civil servants; they are not.

It's not like it's a parasitic relationship in any way. In exchange for funding the Jedi provide safety and negotiating skills to the people of the Republic, which is something that Lightsiders should be doing anyway.

JMA

 

Maybe the Republic follow their ideals and the Jedi follow theirs but it's an important distinction.

A Jedi used to have the option of being in the Military (Corran Horn, Luke Skywalker, etc) or choosing his own path.

Now with non-Jedi on the Council they have been trapped in a system that forces them to support the New Republic.

In any dispute even a just one they will be forced to.

It's not good

 

Now with non-Jedi on the Council they have been trapped in a system that forces them to support the New Republic.

Do you honestly think they would abandon the Republic anyway? ?

Leia is a former Chief of State and Luke is a hero of the Rebellion, which became the NR. They are friends with nearly every single NR Military higher-up. It's inevitable that the Jedi Council was going to be intertwined with the New Republic as a whole anyway, just due to the amount of previous association that went on between the two groups. Without the NR's money, ships, etc. they would be destined to spend their lives as hermits on a single planet, helping nobody.

JMA

 

There are private donations, they could find their own planet, they could yes join the military on their OWN.

The jedi and republic have a symbiotic relationship but they are not one in the same.

I just feel it's wrong for them even with their previous history (especially with it! Luke resigned being a General for a reason) to cross the line The Jedi never did.

I mean what do you do in the New Rebellion if Kueller went to Almania and destroyed the Jehar against Republic rules but served the Jedi code by overthrowing an evil tyranny?

Luke's autonomy also saved Kyp Duroun's life when the Sun Crusher was destroyed. Though I doubt it would have saved Vader a Jedi has to be judged by the Jedi.

 

There are private donations, they could find their own planet, they could yes join the military on their OWN.

The jedi and republic have a symbiotic relationship but they are not one in the same.

I just feel it's wrong for them even with their previous history (especially with it! Luke resigned being a General for a reason) to cross the line The Jedi never did.

I mean what do you do in the New Rebellion if Kueller went to Almania and destroyed the Jehar against Republic rules but served the Jedi code by overthrowing an evil tyranny?

Luke's autonomy also saved Kyp Duroun's life when the Sun Crusher was destroyed. Though I doubt it would have saved Vader a Jedi has to be judged by the Jedi.

 

Does anyone else think that the Jedi Order should be run by Jedi and not outside parties. I mean i am not against Jedi working hand in hand with NR but having Senators and General's etc within a council that would internally oversee what happen's with the order seems strange. Firstly what if that Vong or an anti-jedi faction was able to inflitrate the Council the Jedi's greatest secrets would be ruined. For example in SBS when Luke made the NR aware of the Shadow bomb and other Jedi advancements Viqi was able to turn them over to the Vong.

I see the need for close interaction with the NR heirachy but not NR heirachy being involved with the internal business of the Jedi Order. Thats if they are, if not my apologies. More sense would be to have a Jedi Council to handle to the internal running of the Order, like which apprintice is assigned to which Knight etc, the have an Advisory Jedi Council that interacts strongly with NR heirachy and makes decisions about what Jedi do externally eg there Role in the NR and there role in the War. These are my suggestions feel free to completely disagree

 

Okay, I read over Mastadge's and Nom Anor's posts from awhile ago. I do agree with you that the majority of the republic would do this bloodlessly, but not all, as has been proven very clearly by the bothans and their desire for the genocide of the Vong. I would be among the group that wants to stop but not kill, but a large majority are pro-complete death. It just seemed to me like alot of people want them completely gone. Im just saying there are some who want them totally gone, some want them stopped. That was just clarification for you on what I meant to say.

 

This is SW, guys. Can we please keep American politics out of it? I think that you all are reading too much into all this. It wouldn't surprise me to see things like Sep. 11th pop up in books now, because it's not part of our everyday life and it has inundated our culture. But I don't think that we need to go into thiskind of a moral discussion over Star Wars. This isn't a college class.

On a lighter, somewhat contradictory note, I hate Danni Quee and am now going over to my fanfic and making plans to kill her off and get Jacen and Tenel Ka back together.

~Rogue

 

So, did anyone agree with my assessment of Nom Anor?