Rogue One [Official Info] Donnie Yen (Chirrut Imwe) in Rogue One (incl. Force sensitivity discussion)

I don't know if there's any indication of that.

Overcoming != completely cured.

 

Because it makes him a more interesting character? Plus, we don't know exactly how his blindness effects him. Could be that he can't do certain thing (like pilot an aircraft), but his other senses attune him to performing other tasks very well.

What I don't understand is why so many fans have a problem with his blindness. God forbid these characters have some color that makes them memorable.

 

If he's anything like Katsu-San or Tony Anthony's Blind Man in personality, I will definitely enjoy Chirrut.

 

Cad Bane used a lightsaber. Grievous, a non-force user, was trained in saber combat. Maul was disavowed by Sidious and Dooku and stated he is no longer a Sith. Asajj Ventress likewise abandoned both the Jedi and the Sith. The Nightsister's aren't Sith Lords. Etc, etc.

By the way, all these elements had the approval of Lucas and occurred before Disney acquired Lucasilm. Abrams and Edwards's additions of Maz and Chirrut simply continues the tradition, started by Lucas, that people can use lightsabers or be in tune with the force while not adhering to the faith of the Sith or Jedi.

Ironically, it seems to me that you are shoving your concept of the force onto Star Wars, since by saying the force should be strictly reserved to the Jedi and Sith you're ignoring Lucas's own intention.

 

But...but...Disney's ruining Lucas' vision!

 

You know what would be really fascinating? A blind man that is actually blind instead of the mystical kungfu-movie version of "blind". A blind man can do many things for the Rebellion, but ground combat is not one of those things, especially in a so-called "realistic war movie".

 

I think you're making excuses here - plus missing the basic point. I have not once stated that the Force should be strictly reserved to the Jedi or Sith (actually I didnt even mention the Sith), I used the Jedi as a reference to George Lucas's original quote from 1977 where he said that "Anyone could be a Jedi". What that specifically would translate to today would be "Everyone can be Force-sensitive" or "Everyone can use the Force", which isn't exactly true.

You are jumping to conlusions.

Besides, those examples are not good examples. Cad Bane used a lightsaber for 2 seconds before losing it - even Han Solo used a lightsaber longer than that. Maul and Asajj are still Force-sensitives and fall to the same category above as I mentioned. The Nightsisters use something called magick and not the Force, so I'm not sure why you even brought those up. As for Grievous, you do have a point, but he is basically just a machine swinging programmed lightsaber attacks, similar to his own magna-guards.

 

Just saying when a person loses one sense the others compensate. That said, I completely understand what you mean about kung fu blind (although I have since seen a blind swordsman in Shaw Brothers films who bucks that trend (Ko Fei in Clan Feuds. He was amazing and very convincing.) I am more meh about spiritual warrior than his blindness. I like to think Chirrut will win me over big time.

 

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You know what would be really fascinating? A blind man that is actually blind instead of the mystical kungfu-movie version of "blind". A blind man can do many things for the Rebellion, but ground combat is not one of those things, especially in a so-called "realistic war movie".

yeah he has a bodyguard... my guess is the body guard is there to pilot and to take care of whatever the guy can't do.

 

We can...
What browser are you using? There are known issues with ie 11.

 

yeah I think it is internet explorer. maybe its only an issue here at my work. ill try firefox when I get home

 

Two characters who are force force sensitive but not Jedi doesn't equal "everyone can use the force." Maz is force sensitive, and Chirrut has some connection but it's clear that it isn't common and takes great devotion. Going from these two characters to assuming the new canon is trying to make the force common and banal isn't justified from the evidence.

By the way, you do realize that the Nightsister's "magick" was just another name for the force? Lucas and Filoni weren't adding a whole new, parallel or competing mystical power to the story. They were showing how non-force users can still tap into it. You object to the idea (not even floated by the new canon) that anyone can use the force, yet Lucas approved Filoni's creation of an entire race that delves into the force by alternate means.

 

I do think that everyone can tap into the force (which really is a metaphor for intuition, bliss, the peace and clarity one gains when his or her mind is quieted, etc). It's just highly unlikely, without extreme patience and luxury, that "anyone" will be able to effectively use the force in the way that a Jedi does. And so Jedi-level force users are rare. That takes commitment. Only the most dedicated heroes can get that far.

This brings up something I lament about Star Wars fandom. The lessons of Star Wars have been lost to many. Overtaken by lore. The point is simple. Avoid distractions. Focus on your true nature. And you can do great things. The fact that Jonipoon deems this approach as stupid simply reveals that he's lost in the trees, and has long since forgotten about the forest.

 

Well, I kinda hoped he might be a Miraluka, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Would have loved to see them canonized.

 

Inspired by Denzel Washington's portrayal of Eli in "The Book of Eli" perhaps? That guy is able to do all sorts of stuff not every person with sight can handle, including shooting enemies on rooftops or at great distance without missing a single shot...

So I guess Chirrut Imwe should have that sort of skill too, I presume... Making him something like a "Superman" without the power of sight!


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The evidence comes from JJ himself:
http://www.slashfilm.com/jj-abrams-midi-chlorians/

"For me when I heard Obi-Wan say that the Force surrounds us and binds us all together, there was no judgement about who you were. This was something that we could all access. Being strong with the force didn’t mean something scientific, it meant something spiritual. It meant someone who could believe, someone who could reach down to the depths of your feelings and follow this primal energy that was flowing through all of us. I mean, thats what was said in that first film!"

This is just one interview, but JJ has said numerous times that this is his perception of the Force. Yet again, you miss the point I was making about the new directors specifically going in this direction.

I'm not lost, you're talking far-fetched gibberish. The PT has already established that, for example, you can't become a very powerful Jedi unless you are strong with the Force. While it takes training to master your skills, you need to have the connection first. So what you're saying about dedication isn't true. No. If you have 0 % of midi-chlorians in your blood, you can't become a powerful Jedi like Obi-Wan. No matter how hard you try, it's impossible. You just have to accept the truth.

And in case someone nitpicks at me for talking about Jedi again, I'm just using them as an example.

 

According to Qui-Gon, every living thing has midi-chlorians. The beings that have a lot of them happen to be Force sensitive.

 

So, 0,001 % midi-chlorians.

 

In a galaxy with billions of star systems, each with trillions of people, odds are pretty good that there is at least one blind person with some force sensitivity.

We don't know how strong in the force Chirrut is yet. Maybe just enough to help him see/sense where other people and things are. There's a wide margin between those without any force sensitivity and a master Jedi like Kenobi or Windu. Being only slightly force sensitive may have actually helped Chirrut survive the Purge, since the Emperor and Vader would have been more focused on finding those strong with the force.

 

Totally agree with this. It's like the writers just thought "what is the coolest character we can put on screen?".

"How about a blind Asian martial artist."

"Jackpot"

Something about this character just doesn't sit right with me. Personally I hope it's done for pure comic value, and the first time he is sent into combat, he hacks off his own commanders head, and then falls into a ditch.

 

A garden weed, perhaps?

 

I understand that blind martial artists are a "trope" in martial arts films. But so what? First of all, a lot of people don't watch martial arts films. And secondly, the "blind warrior monk" is also a staple archetype in many eastern and western myths, which fits perfectly with Star Wars. Edwards is simply dipping back into the Campbellian well here.

That's why I like things like blind monks, crossguard lightsabers, force trees, etc. They all draw from mythic and historical traditions here on Earth. It's only when Star Wars dramatically departs from that approach (with midichlorians, for example) that I feel something is "off."

 

midichlorians.....

 

"Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them." - Obi-Wan Kenobi.

 

These cultural stereotypes have no place in SW, they are a distraction from the fantasy-world and boring to boot. They should put more effort into their character design than that. I get a funny feeling about Rogue One but let's see.