Rogue One [Official Info] Donnie Yen (Chirrut Imwe) in Rogue One (incl. Force sensitivity discussion)

We shall see. Pun intended.

 

Wait, did George Lucas draw his concepts from other planets that only he is aware of? All the concepts in Star Wars draw from Earth-based myth and history. Heck, cross-cultural Earthly mythic motifs are the heart and soul of the whole franchise. The force itself essentially draws from Eastern religious and mythic traditions, as do the Jedi. And perceiving the force is the same as "having a third eye."

Why a sudden aversion to this in the case of Chirrut?

Star Wars isn't "becoming more and more like earth everyday." Star Wars has always been about the human condition on the only planet we are aware of. Earth. The GFFA is just a great fantasy setting in which to tell that story.

 

There are no Jedis on earth even though they actually have more in common with mystic warriors of the West like the Crusaders or even Islamic Mystics than they do with Asia. In some ways classic Star Wars is based on episodes from Western history, such as the rise of fascism.

But that said, this is a GFFA and things aren't just taken from earth history they are a motivation but then there are creative and unique variations added to reflect the fact that the GFFA is not our galaxy and things are not like earth. A GFFA to me is just a canvas to explore ones imagination using humans and "the human condition" as a starting point but using that canvas as an opportunity to explore many unique and creative backdrops for that basic theme.

So no it isn't that I don't like Chirrut. It is just that overall so far I see more of a trend towards things being more earth like than the past, right down to palm trees.....

But also one must remember that much of the GFFA canvas is based on the visionary work of folks like Ralph McQuarrie:

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3036846...l-designer-is-still-influencing-the-new-stuff

 

But the trees on Endor or Naboo looked more alien-like back in the good old days, or what?

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I wonder if the other Religious Warriors in Rogue One belong to the same sect as Chirrut?

 

A blind superhero!

 

I thought only trained force users were capable of that kind of thing. Rogue One was supposed to be a movie that doesn't feature Jedi. I thought they would restrain themselves from delving into the spiritual side of SW and show how the "common people" fight against the Empire. It was something I was really looking forward to. But I don't really associate some miracle person with the common people.

Instead of a spiritual miracle man they could just use a Jedi, same effect.

 

trained force user =/= jedi, fyi

 

Don't you mean......

 

The difference being that Jedi have their own culture, philosophical ideas, structure and so on. Chirrut just seems like a walking stereotype so far.

 

we've seen two seconds of footage of him

 

Agree to disagree. As someone who feels the spiritual elements in Star Wars are what make it shine, I'm very happy about it. Plus, Chirrut adds a layer to the universe that another Jedi doesn't. He's a character that represents a population of people in the galaxy who follow the spiritual teachings/ example of Jedi, but never trained to be Jedi themselves. This enriches the galaxy, IMO, and gives it more verisimilitude. Makes it feel like a deeper and more real place.

In terms of the "common people" approach, that was never promised. What was promised was a lack of Jedi to save the Rebellion. But that doesn't mean the warriors of the Rebellion are simply common people. They are trained military men and women. And in the case of this especially difficult and sensitive mission to steal the Death Star plans, the story was always likely to include a team with some extraordinary skills.

The problem is that some fans were expecting a "grunts" movie (due to fan expectations, not official promises), and instead we're getting a "special forces" movie. Personally, I find the latter to be far more interesting a story for the GFFA. Star Wars stories should be legendary, not told as if through the eyes of a war correspondent embedded with grunts.

 

You think palm trees are indicative of Star Wars becoming more and more Earth-like? Hm. The OT (and the PT) texted me these images, and asked me to send them to you.













And Chirrut, just like the Jedi, is a "variation" of a type of warrior from Earth. I personally have not ever seen anyone on earth wearing robes like that, with tech-embedded vambraces and a laster-blasting bowcaster.

 

True. And good point, but giant trees are rare on earth which still makes Endor quite exotic. Likewise Naboo had plenty of alien architecture to go along with the generic shrubbery and make it quite alien.



But again from EW.com, they want to evoke the South Pacific aesthetic, somewhat intentionally:

http://www.ew.com/gallery/rogue-one-first-look-photos/2642773_galactic-south-pacific

But again, overall it is about art direction and part of that is the characters themselves, which have become iconic in the case of SW.

So maybe Chirrut will go over well or even iconic as in many other SW characters, but maybe not so much, especially in this imitation mystical not a jedi, but still a deadly mystic warrior... who is blind and can fight because of reasons.

But again we shall see.

 

It's all about what you're most familiar with. What always pulled me out of AOTC and ROTS were the Aussie and Kiwi accents. It made SW feel like I was watching a locally-produced TV show.

I once showed someone from California the OT, and they thought Endor was the most "Earth-like", whereas to me the redwoods were quite exotic. I'm sure someone in Norway thought Hoth was pretty ho-hum, too.

 

Which other religious warriors?

 

is there anything you do like?

 

How do you know the group Chirrut belongs to doesn't have its own culture, philosophical ideas, structure and so on? Have a bunch of people seen the film, and not told us about it?

 

JabbatheHumanBeing "Which other religious warriors? "

The extra(s) that has been cast as a 'Religious Warriors'.

 

I don't want to offend anyone who is criticizing the inclusion of a blind spiritual warrior in Rogue One. But I think this has become now a really hyperbolic drama based on just a few seconds from a teaser trailer and a few sentences from the EW article. No one of us has seen the actual film. Maybe the film, or even the Celebration Europe trailer, could change your mind.

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Yes, most of the comics and new books. Those are simply better plotted and written than the stuff for big and little screen. The NEU is great!

Different spiritual factions are interesting if some new ideas a poured in. I don't find a cynical copy/paste approach satisfying.

 

The idea of the force hasn't even been fully explored yet, so I don't see how they can just drop in new religious factions in a 'one off' film after 12 films where no such faction has even been established.

 

True, they probably don't have the "space" to expand on Chirrut's religion.

Well in any case all the beating around the bush by the "pro faction" is not gonna change my current opinion. Only the movie can, really. I'll give them a shot to convince me of Chirrut.

 

Agreed, as the spiritual angle remains my sticking point. There are plenty of things you can do with blind warriors. At any rate, I am hoping the upcoming trailer knocks my socks off.

 

If Chirrut is a member of the 'Church of the Force' as Lor San Tekka is rumoured(?) to be then I can see some ground work being laid in these SW Stories. I think we are going to find that there is a whole lot of factions (eg: KoR) out there besides the Sith and the Jedi.