Rogue One [Official Info] Vader in Rogue One

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He's an absolute badass, I felt the scene towards the end of Rogue One was the first time we really see him with the shackles off.

 

Going totally off memory here, but Tarkin seemed to draw the conclusion when they mentioned the Death Star plans were kept there, didn't he? Safe assumption, after learning about Galen's deception (though not exactly what he did) that the DS plans were the target.

They likely detected something was transmitted from the base, and when Rebels started leaving in a hurry, they figured out what they had. Vader may not have known that during the fight, but had been informed by the time he caught up with Leia.

I really need to see the movie again.

 

In canon, anyway. He's been pushed to the limit other times as well in other stories, but it was great to see him cut loose in a feature film. Darth Vader only seems to get involved in Imperial matters when they really need him, as evidenced by him going after the Rebel fleet in this film.

 

dsematsu , we are definitely in the minority here. Vader was 100% fan service in this movie. A lot of people will argue "well the whole movie is fan service", and that really is the problem. That's the problem with the "post-Lucas" era vs the "Lucas era". Lucas made the movies that were in his head and really didn't question "will the fans like this? If so I better do it." He just made the films. Fans initially eat this stuff up, but I think over the years, it "cheapens" the legacy of the characters. Movies shouldn't be made to appease fans, the movies should be creative and original and generate fan love.

I have no problem with bits and pieces of fan service, that can actually make the film great. For instance throwing in classic Gold Leader and Red Leader was great! I actually cheered out loud for them! I bet some people in the theater probably had no idea why I was cheering, and that's part of the fun.

Vader didn't fit well in this movie at all, and I'm not talking just his final scene, but his other two scenes. Vader floating naked in a bacta tank was 100% fan service and didn't belong in the film. Not to say it wasn't interesting, but why? The Director Krennic scene really had no point except to remind people that Vader can force choke officers, and now can tell cheesy dad jokes. Let's not ignore that they couldn't get the modulation of Jame Earl Jones voice right, that he barely sounded like Vader, or that in some shots the costume looked totally off.

But the final Vader scene, 100% fan service, straight out of a video game. The whole time I was like: "triangle, triangle, square, circle, L1, L2, Triangle"! And in the end, Vader couldn't even get the plans back! LOL! He looked like a clown. He killed a bunch of Star Trek Red Shirt equivalents in a nerd rage, but failed to get the plans. It's like if Bruce Lee was resurrected and ran into an elementary school to punch and kick kindergartners, and still failed his objective. It's ridiculous.

If they really wanted to have Vader have an action role, he should have fought the heroes of this film. I mean that's how movies work. The heroes fight the villains. It would have been a much better impact to see Jyn die by Vader's hand than to just vaporize on a beach. Heck, watching Chirrut spout off Jedi like things to Vader before he's killed? Or Baze to fire hell rounds from his rifle into Vader? Pretty much any scenario with Vader fighting a hero would have been better than what was put out.

Many fans are like goldfish, they'll keep eating fish food until they explode (ok I don't know if goldfish explode, but you know the saying, LOL!). Fans think they know what they want, but in the end giving them cheap fan service actually denies the actual risk of doing something original or out of the norm, that the fans didn't even know they wanted. I want Hollywood/Disney to challenge me, not deliver cheap thrills.

 

Vader killing the rebel soldiers may have been 100% fan service, but man it was frightening and I got chills seeing it.

Anyone know if the music during that scene is on the OST? I gave it a listen on Google Music, but didn't catch it. Could have missed it though?

 

We were responding to the statement that Vader was not necessary to the plot. Of course he was.

Rogue One set up ANH beautifully and gave it more weight and depth. Also made Luke becoming a Jedi so much more important and necessary.

You're not wrong about how movies work, but you are wrong about how Rogue One works. Vader was not the main antagonist in the film, Krennic and his forces were.

The way Hitler and Goering are not the main antagonists in any given ww2 film. A battlefield commander usually is.

Vader was necessary for two reasons, 1) to remind viewers that the Empire's threat to the Galaxy is not merely material but a spiritual one. Something that transcends death.

2) To set up an uplifting ending and show that our heroe's sacrifice was significant despite all the dark forces arrayed against them. Obviously with the help of Luke, Leia, Han, etc.

Rogue One was a war film. Not a Saga film.

 

the more I read about Vader's castle and the secrets the castle contains and the Sith cave as well as being by Palps's design. The more they seriously need to have either Luke or Ben/Kylo venture through the castle.

mysterious castle with mysteries remains me of Castle Oblivion in Kingdom Hearts and how the villains were trying to uncover all the secrets.

 

In a hypothetical Episode 8, I want to see Rey and Luke investigate the long abandoned ruins of Vader's castle on Mustafar and the Death Star-destroyed ruins of Jedha City.

 

Yes please.

 

Oh HELL yes!

 

In the Art of TFA, Leia was to have used Vader's abandoned castle as a forward base for the Resistance. It was changed, obviously.

Rogue One made all "red shirts" sacrifice on the Rebel's side significant and valuable. Another reason Vader was important in the film.

 

so Vader slicing Jyn in half wouldn't be fan service, then? I think some basic rebels getting mowed down by Vader emphasized how necessary the Jedi are, because other people don't stand a chance. Hence why seconds later, Leia had the line about "Hope." The Jedi are their only Hope.

P.S. remember when Vader literally killed an elementary school of padawans? This isn't the first time he fought some underpowered noobs

 

and they then find Vanee in the lower levels undergoing experiments to recreate his beloved dead master. So they find an army of Vaders.

 

Hope

 

That would be cool, if well executed.

 

Interesting that Vader's castle and Jedha's Temple of the Kyber are extremely similar in design.

 

I think that's also the name given to the Cleveland Browns 2016 schedule.

 

The scene where Vader force chokes Krennic strikes me actually out of character. He summons him to his castle and then force chokes him...why? In ESB, Ozzel and Needa for grievous mistakes. And the other guy in ANH was mouthing off to him in front of senior imperials. This situation didn't seem to fit the bill for a force choke. Vader is characterized as smart and cunning, so force choking every officer in the Imperial Navy isn't going to work. I can't image why anyone in uniform would want to serve under his command if he had a reputation for force choking staff willy nilly. The way officers keep their bearing around him in ESB strikes back suggests that was not his reputation.

 

He did basically the same thing in Episode IV.

 

admiral motti says hi.

 

as an amendment to my last post....

padme says hi too.

 

Kylo Ren's reaction to the Vader scene: