Rogue One [Official Info] Vader in Rogue One

Mister Zeroh will have a field day with this one.. lol Oh well, only a couple days till we find out..

 

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I have issues with these new Vader rumors. I want to see Vader terrifying like in New Hope, not vulnerable. ROTS did enough damage to his persona as it was. And ROTJ did too of course, by having Luke defeat him, but ROTS took away his mystique.

 

Oh yeah, nice!!! Hope someone confirms this to be true.

 

The rumors make him sound pretty damn terrifying... are you talking about the bacta tank specifically?

 

Yeah, not really sure what you mean by "new Vader rumors" the latest Vader talk should be music to every Vader fan's ears.

 

I think a lot of people are missing the point why "Epic Vader" is probably not going to be the "greatest thing ever". Like most of you, I haven't seen the film yet, but rumors that "Vader is epic" worry me. We know this is an "off-shoot" Star Wars story so it really shouldn't involve such a main character as Vader, at least not to the point that he is "epic". I totally feel this is the Disney/Hollywood M.O. to put in a classic hero/villain to make sure they cover their nostalgia bases. To "give the fans what they want". This may go well with casual movie goers, but the odds are, hardcore Star Wars fans probably won't like it.

The main issue I see is Vader is too high up of the villain ladder to be "dealing with these Rebels" one on one. If you compare the ANH story with Vader being involved, to the Rouge One story, there really shouldn't be someone of Vader's stature. Let's be real, this is the Emperor's right hand man. Let's also not forget that he was one of the most powerful Jedi of all time. The point that he's going "one one one" with his lightsaber with Rebel's is silly. It cheapens his character. It's like a superhero fighting regular everyday thugs. There's no challenge in it. It's just in the movie for the sake of being in the movie. The only worthy opponent for Vader is another Jedi/Sith, and unless they are going to write something improbable in the story, he's basically just fighting regular dudes.

The second part is even worse. If any of these Rebels even injure or hurt him, it ruins his legacy. Basically almost any two bit Rebel can mess him up. Let's say they don't lay a finger on him, he still fails, because we all know they got the Death Star plans to Leia anyway. So even if Vader in "untouched", it basically expands the idea that he's a bumbling clown that can't STOP THEM from stealing the plans. He couldn't even stop them from blowing up the first Death Star.

Whether you agree with me or not, these are the FACTS:

Vader, if involved with stopping the Rebel spies from getting the DS plans, has FAILED. They got the plans under his watch.
Vader was unable to conjure up the stolen data tapes in ANH (but he may be responsible for the idea of tracking the Falcon to Yavin)
Vader was unable to stop Luke from blowing up the Death Star.

I'm trying to minimize the legacy of the character. Throwing him in to "slaughter a bunch of no name Rebels" doesn't make him cooler, it cheapens him. I guess we have to wait and see what they do with him. I just think he should have just a cameo, not a big action part.

 

You saw ANH right? You remember he slaughters a DOZEN no name and some big name rebels like Biggs in his Tie Fighter like a badass???

Vader NEEDS more badass moments if anything, we NEVER got to see Vader Slaughter/hunt down and kill the Jedi Knights as was promised in the prequels. So most of his reputation is from comics/cartoons or hyperbole. If anything, Vader needs MORE scenes/displays of his power/threat to show just how powerful the empire was. Nobody complains when Gandalf slaughters nameless goons and Trolls in Lord of the Rings Trilogy. This is no different.

I do hope the rumors are true that Vader kicks a few Rebels at least, I would have much rather seen more of a mass slaughter and an EPIC display of Force power to show how they're like insects to him. Would have been more fun, but Ill take what they can give, considering this maybe the last time we ever see Vader on screen. He should go out in Legendary manner!

 

What you are stating is exactly what Rebels has done with Vader. He has only been onscreen a few times and when he does fight it is only with another (former) Jedi.

 

The one thing I must say is that by this time, Vader has pretty much slaughtered all of the jedi. This movie is literally seconds away from ANH and by this time all known jedi are gone, just those like Obi-Wan and Yoda in hiding and some force users like Ezra/Maul the Church of the Force and etc. Waht really would have been cool, would be for Vader to fight Ashoka in this movie!

 

The scene is fake.

 

It is almost like you are saying the good guys win in Star Wars.

 

One fan

'Throwing him in to "slaughter a bunch of no name Rebels" doesn't make him cooler, it cheapens him. I guess we have to wait and see what they do with him. I just think he should have just a cameo, not a big action part.'

Another fan

'If I don't see Vader slaughter rebels on the battlefield in this one last chance to see him in action then Rogue One gonna suck'

Yes, Lucasfilm you really cannot win at this point

 

"Several fighters have broken off from the main group. Cover me."

 

I was going to post something similar observing that Vader picking off nameless Rebels one by one is EXACTLY what he does in ANH, but everyone beat me to it!

Maybe once you've taken out all the Jedi this is like some sort of hobby for him?

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yeah the idea that vader lost limbs and is in bacta yes. btw I heard that critics who have seen rogue one are saying its one of the greatest star wars movies. Vader is really good too supposedly

 

Someone said Vader raising havoc in the last 10 minutes of the movie.

 

This^^^, although I'm still undecided how I feel about Vader overall in Rebels. The Ahsoka / Vader fight scene seems more appropriate. There is a long history between the two. Heck, the scene was pretty emotional to a point, especially when Ahsoka says: "I won't leave you this time." There was real conflict there, master vs apprentice. A real battle. Vader just slicing up regular dudes has no real emotional impact.

As far as Vader blowing up nameless Rebel pilots, it was necessary to the scene and plot. He obviously couldn't be on on the Death Star when it blew up, and it would have been a little anti-climatic if he said "well, I think they are blowing up the Death Star, I'm just going to leave". Having to chase a force sensitive Rebel down the trench (who happens to be his son) has a real purpose. Again I haven't seen the film, but I don't sense a reason why Vader has to slaughter Rebels a a matter of life and death or purpose to advance his story. Except that obviously he fails in stopping them from getting the plans. Even if the story IS written that he has to kill these Rebels or he'll die, it seems like the writers are just doing what I said: fan service. "Let's put Vader in a predicament that he shouldn't be in so we can show him killing rebels with a lightsaber".

Now if they tie in let's say Darth Maul fighting Vader or him killing off Ahsoka, that will surprise me and I'll tip my hat to that, but just to have him killing dudes to stop them from stealing plans and still failing would be weak.

 

You don't have to worry about that here.

Agreed with those saying LFL cannot win. The expectations are so niche and personal they are not worth even attempting to hit.

 

When I first heard about Vader being in Rogue One, I had hoped there would be a lone Jedi in the rebel group who would be killed by him. Even though that doesn't seem to be the case, I actually expect him to be pretty badass. I'm just waiting for an epic hallway walkthrough with the Vader theme a la ESB in Hoth lol

 

Personally I like seeing characters I enjoy in films. I'm weird though.

 

I'm wondering what you suppose Vader should be doing in this film at all if NOT slaughtering Rebels? Hanging out in the Bacta tank and meditating or doing some boring walk and talk scenes with Krenic? I'm not paying good money for that, very uneventful for the most badass villain in all of cinema. If he did just stand around it would make him look weak/ineffective and a fool for letting the Rebels who stole the plans get away without at least paying the ultimate price. Which is my main problem with Vader in rebels. Filoni was unable to show him cut down Ezra/Kanna as its a kids show and he's much to afraid to show him kill his pet Ashoka so Vader ends up looking lame and propping up the heros for no good reason. In all honesty, I'd rather him never showed up in Rebels as it hasn't done much for him or his standing in canon.

 

Well that's not going to happen...

 

Don't feel bad. I committed the blasphemy of being excited for Han in TFA.

 

You monster!