Rogue One [Official Info] Vader in Rogue One

Vader: "Leave them to me, I'll deal with them myself" Badassery ensues.

 

i cant believe Anyone is mad that vader is gonna kick some rebel butt in this movie. how does it 'cheapen him'

vader is a genuine bad*** in ANH. he snaps antiles neck like a twig, cuts obiwan down in cold blood and blasts half a dozen pilots and r-2 into oblivion.

so why should we hope he just stands around and talks about sand or angels?

 

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Vader is on the hunt in this movie. There's an uprising, and he's out to squash it. When we meet him in ANH, he's angry. The plans got out despite it all and he's on the back foot. A violent portrayal in R1 makes a lot of sense.

 

It's amazing that we still don't know much about the plot by now. It seems like they were having the ISB on the set

 

Hmm, according to early reviews, DV only gets a few shots and possibly very little dialog.

I would recommend people temper their expectations of Vader being front and center. It may be that what we saw on the trailers and tv spots amounts to most of Vader's screentime

 

I wouldn't worry as much about screen time as quality

 

The reason he is as you describe "the most badass villain in all cinema" is precisely why he shouldn't be in this film more. His legacy is set, 9 times out of 10, trying to squeeze more out of a already iconic character diminishes them.

Take TFA for example: Han, another one of the most iconic characters in film history. Ends up being a dead beat dad that lost the coolest ship in the galaxy to some other guys named Culture Klub. Who in his 50 years never once used his best buddies bowcaster until TFA. Knows his emo son is a wannabe sith lord, confronts him on a bridge, gets stabbed, and thrown over in a CGI crap fest death. How about Luke? Yeah, after defeating the sith and over throwing the empire, he runs off and hides. Leia loses all drive and is basically a Zombie. Even the most iconic robot of all time: R2D2 was a dud, not to mention he had half the plans the whole time and was asleep for the entire movie. Paying "good money" and not seeing iconic characters is one thing, but paying good money to have iconic characters RUINED, because we trust in Disney and fanboy directors that think they know best is even worse.

Lets not kid ourselves. Lucasfilm could take an old episode of Power Rangers, throw in a Stormtrooper, Vader and label it Star Wars and fans would line up by the millions and pay to see it. Disney knows Darth Vader sells, they'll slap him in there, have him kill some guys and fans will initially eat it up. Until months later they come here to the forums to explain why it was out of place and cheapened his legacy.

 

Should anyone be surprised that Vader's screen time is minimal? Kathleen Kennedy told us as much months ago.

 

Indeed, but it seems like huge Vader fans are still going to be unhappy about it. Stuckmann is a perfect example. I usually really enjoy his reviews, but it seems like he couldn't get over the fact that Vader didn't play a huge role. He says visuals, acting, action, humor, and most characters are all great-fantastic, and then gives the film a B because he just loves Vader and wanted more. Which is why I said it seems like what people expect going in seems to be looming large in reviews. Whether that be a family friendly movie, or more Vader.

Also, film is at 81% now.

 

But there are conflicting reports. I guess it's feasible that Vader pops on the screen for 3 minutes, kills a bunch of Rebels and then he's out, but that sounds kinda lame. I hope they keep him to a minimal, and don't go overboard with his appearance.

 

Actually, Stuckmann said the characters were lacking.

 

He said Jyn was the only one with a deep backstory. The rest were all entertaining and fun. Wouldn't say that is "lacking" for a war movie.

 

I'd say not bring oven enough reason to care about the characters is lacking for any type of movie. He did point that out as one of the bigger negatives

 

I would rather here people talk about darth vader in rogue one than listen to your butt hurt comments about how you think the force awakens sucks. So please spare those of us (the majority) who like the force awakens your criticism of a film that has already been out for a year. I know there are rules against "mini modding" but I'm sure there are many others here who will agree with me.

 

According to the crew at ColliderVideos, this shot of Vader isn't in the movie

 

Yes and on that front the consensus seems unanimous.

 

Yeah we're going to end up with a lot of cut scenes on the DVD.

 

Doubt it.

Disney were pretty clear this wasn't going to be a Vader movie.

 

Is that supposed to be a reply to me?

I just meant in general. There is looots of cut stuff just from what we've seen, and that's not getting into cut stuff we might have only heard about that could be cut or just never filmed or the stuff that didn't make it that we know nothing about.

 

Yeah don't mini-mod. No safe space for you here. This is a forum where we discuss our points of view and differences. For the record you started with the name calling descriptor "butt-hurt". Again, people are free to post their opinions, as long as they are the same as yours, but for those that don't, we somehow deserve your "wrath". The funny thing, is just before I replied, I read a comment no more than an hour ago:

So your theory that "the majority of the people really liked TFA may be flawed. But back on topic as this is about Roug One:

I agree with ObidioJuan that hopefully RO will be a different tone from TFA, most notably not a complete OT rehash. I stand by my feelings that the odds are the more screen time you give to classic characters, the more likely you ruin them. The GOOD NEWS is most reports say Vader is at a minimum in this movie, but you can do a lot of character damage in just 3 minutes.

Han, Leia, R2 (Luke is open for discussion) took a negative hit in TFA. Even 3PO was diminished with his red arm and lack of screen time. I can place bets now that the "Han Solo Spinoff" will be a flaming dumpster fire of epic proportions. There is no way to do that character justice without Ford, and Ford disliked this character so much, he made sure he was killed off (in probably in a complete craptacular way). I just don't want Vader to suffer the same fate. Jury is out on it, and I will comeback and post my feelings about Vader once I've seen it. Also I've give them points if they have Vader kill off Jyn Erso, as she's pretty annoying so far from the trailers. LOL.

 

So, I've heard tell that an EU location relevant to Vader is in the film.

Spoiler

Vader's castle is evidently seen, and there's a "river of lava" flowing through it which indicates it might be on Mustafar. Interesting if accurate/true.

 

The only real issue I have with Vader having a small part is that it goes along with the concept of throwing him in there just because it no doubt would get butts in seats. He's not there because it came from a great place creatively, he's there as insurance. It's almost like Spider-man in CIVIL WAR. Spider-man was used great in Civil War, and yet he didn't have to be there. He's some what forced into the film. Just because the Russo Bro's handled that inclusion very well doesn't stop it from having that feel about it.

In context it works fine. IF you watch RO befores ANH, then you see this big ****er who has a very minimal part, and then you watch the next film right after where he's the secondary big bad. Which is fine. Anything bigger and he'd probably stolen the film, but you do have to take into account any missed opportunity in making the most of what will probably be JEJ last performance.

 

To me, what they've done with Vader (from what I've heard) makes perfect sense.