Official Knights of the Old Republic (Video Games) and the EU Thread (KOTORII Spoilers)

From what I've read, one of the new locales happens to be on and around Yavin IV, including a Czerka space station there. Coming so soon as it does following the First Sith War and the Massassi genocide, I'm looking forward to seeing this verra, verra much.

 

I know, great stuff. It's even accurate with the much more "obscure" material from the Star Wars expanded universe, like when you go to Tatooine and folks like Carth talk about how the current human mining settlement there is a failure, and *might* be getting abandoned soon.

Little touches like that allow us long-time fen to become more immersed in the atmosphere of the game, and gives real legitimacy to its place in the greater SW pantheon of stories.


Yep. The people at BioWare showed they have a much, much greater love of the SW Universe then it seems the people that George Lucas has surrounded himself with. Regardless of what they thought of EU, they should have all sat down, opened up the books and drawn inspiration from it, taken the good parts of EU for use in the movies. Instead they have done whatever it is that has gone at at the Ranch and have butchered the SW Prequel movies, to the point where.....

I don't want to get into it again. BUt if it were up to me, I would have the production team of Bio-Ware that did KOTOR handle the next movie.

 

Sorry if the question has been answered before in this thread, but I haven't found it.

Why is a Naga Sadow's tomb on Korriban? Didn't he end up on Yavin 4?

 

Yep. The people at BioWare showed they have a much, much greater love of the SW Universe then it seems the people that George Lucas has surrounded himself with. Regardless of what they thought of EU, they should have all sat down, opened up the books and drawn inspiration from it, taken the good parts of EU for use in the movies. Instead they have done whatever it is that has gone at at the Ranch and have butchered the SW Prequel movies, to the point where.....

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Have you even met Doug Chiang? Or Steve Sansweet? These are great people to surround yourself with.

And it's not Lucas' place to "draw inspiration from the EU" (though he's certainly done so in the past) -- it's supposed to be the EXACT OPPOSITE.

 

And it's not Lucas' place to "draw inspiration from the EU" (though he's certainly done so in the past) -- it's supposed to be the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Exactly!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, it all it takes is one scene in the new films or in a new special edition of the OT for him to void the EU and make it an infinities and he would be completely in his rights to do so. He doesn't have to bend to the EU, its the EU that bends to his will. People should never expect him to make sure things add up with the EU cause he doesn't have to be limited by it but it does have to be limited by him.

 

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Exactly!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, it all it takes is one scene in the new films or in a new special edition of the OT for him to void the EU and make it an infinities and he would be completely in his rights to do so. He doesn't have to bend to the EU, its the EU that bends to his will. People should never expect him to make sure things add up with the EU cause he doesn't have to be limited by it but it does have to be limited by him.[/b][hr][/blockquote]Not that that's likely to even happen in the next film, of course.

In fact, the argument could very easily be made that, because George Lucas has allowed the "expanded universe" to coexist alongside his own films and that fandom has come to expect a nominal level of coterminous dovetailing between all stories, Lucas can be considered ethically bound to uphold this covenant with his own fandom constituency...the ones who have supported his story even during the "dark years" when very, very little was being produced, and who in their own fashion made it possible for him to make the prequel trilogy.

And by all indications, he's keen on reciprocating this sentiment. Particularly lately, with the Clone Wars stories and in other areas, and he has *long* held a very salutary, benevolent, nurturing attitude towards the non-filmic [i]Star Wars[/i] universe, beginning way back in the 1970s and the Marvel Comics series and the novels from that period. [face_happy]

[b][blockquote][hr]Sorry if the question has been answered before in this thread, but I haven't found it.

Why is a Naga Sadow's tomb on Korriban? Didn't he end up on Yavin 4?[/b][hr][/blockquote]Nope, it's all still good. Naga Sadow was buried on Korriban, as it's where Exar Kun journeys in order to recieve his ordination as Dark Lord of the Sith within his tomb there.

 

Thanks Leto

 

Nadd was buried on Onderon's moon, his master was Sadow. I either case, Kun (which NEGTC calls Koon) never met Sadow, unless it happened Freedon Nadd Uprising, which I don't have. Though it was never stated in Dark Lords of the Sith, that was Ragnos who appeared to them at the end.

 

Whoops, yeah...it was actually Freedon Nadd whom Exar Kun encounters there on Korriban, and then "kills" a second time. Got the two Sith Lords switched around on the spur of the moment. Marka Ragnos still intervenes, though, from what I recall.

 

I don't want to start another EU vs Canon debate, but I think the biggest winner in the Prequel Trilogy movies has been EU. There is a lot of EU out there that are much, much better in quality then Episode 1,2 and 3 are.

 

Oh hell yes, TripleB.

However, one can't ignore 2 things in the PT as being on par with anything in the CT or the EU:

1) Yoda the Jedi Bad Ass

2) Padme...enough said.

 

Glad I found this thread, was going to have to open a new one to ask some questions. Not having the game myself, I was searching through a cheat code source I know usually has some decent strategy guides. The KotOR cheat codes article I found doesn't yet have the kind of strategy guide I was hopeing for, just one on where to find crystals on various planets, but I did come across some stuff I just have to ask about.

Naga Sadow has a tomb on Korriban? I thought the Sith built the tombs for the Sith Lords around the time they died to store the body in. But they first must have the body. Yet the Sith wouldn't have had Naga Sadow's body because after the Great Hyperspace War Naga Sadow and those still loyal to him ended up fleeing to Yavin IV. And from what I've understood here in the forum, Naga Sadow probably wasn't someone his fellow Sith would have wanted around, much less someone they'd build a tomb for. So who built the tomb on Korriban for him? Freedon Nadd? Exar Kun? And is his body supposedly in it?

 

That's correct, Naga Sadow does indeed have a tomb on Korriban, in the Valley of the Dark Lords, along with Marka Ragnos, Ajunta Pall (who's described as quite possibly THE very first Sith Lord in history), and others.

It's not explicitly mentioned who constructed his tomb, and although Naga Sadow left for Yavin IV, it looks like SOMEBODY sure thought enough of him that they decided to stick a sarcophagus-in-absentia into there for him...

 

1) Yoda the Jedi Bad Ass

Yoda fighting with a lightsaber is my least favorite part of AOTC. I always fast-forward past it.

 

There's actually nothing that says the tomb isn't built until the Sith Lord dies. In fact, Vader had a throne all ready for his mummified body according to Empire's End. So , it looks as if the burial chambers and what not are built long before they die.

 

That's correct, Naga Sadow does indeed have a tomb on Korriban, in the Valley of the Dark Lords, along with Marka Ragnos, Ajunta Pall (who's described as quite possibly THE very first Sith Lord in history), and others.

So is that where they were in Jedi Academy? The Valley of the Dark Lords? If so, then Kyle Katarn's been to both, the Valley of the Jedi and the Valley of the Dark Lords.

 

The Valley of the Jedi is not the same as the Valley of the Dark Lords, I don't think.

 

No, it's not. The Valley of the Dark Lords is on Korriban, while the Valley of the Jedi is on Ruusan. Desann merely basked in the power, allowing it to focus his energy. Jerec actually figured out how to absorb the spirits trapped within. If Kyle Katarn hadn't done away with him, the galaxy would be under his rule. Every sentient being in the galaxy owes him their lives several times over.

 

Alpha Red said

No, it's not. The Valley of the Dark Lords is on Korriban, while the Valley of the Jedi is on Ruusan. Desann merely basked in the power, allowing it to focus his energy. Jerec actually figured out how to absorb the spirits trapped within. If Kyle Katarn hadn't done away with him, the galaxy would be under his rule. Every sentient being in the galaxy owes him their lives several times over.

Of course, if you fall to the Dark Side in the game, Kyle does absorb the power of the Valley of the Jedi and becomes the new Emperor all over again. Remember the end sequence, where it shows him now as Emperor, ordering the destruction of the Rebellion?

 

Yeah. I'm pretty sure I meant Kyle has been to both, the Valley of the Jedi on Ruusan (in Jedi Knight) and the Valley of the Dark Lords on Korriban (in one of his many 'cameo' appearances in Jedi Academy), too.

Thanks, 2ndQuest.

Where will he go next? The Valley of the Dathomir Witches on .. uh .. Dathomir? Or the Valley of the Mace Windu Look-Alikes on Skor II? Or the Valley of the Reluctant Jedi, where Jacen Solo finally settles down?

Ahem. Back to Knights of the Old Republic.

How does Malak eat and drink with that big thing over his mouth? I mean, his nose is still showing, but I'm not so sure about that answer..

 

He has no mouth

 

Malak is male, you see view a cut scene not long before departing Taris, or maybe after it. He follows his dark-robed master into the Star Forge entry. He's without his electronic jawmask.

His voice is male.

And the elec voice was just to make him Vaderlike.

 

What's the best way to kill Starkiller on Taris?

I'm a soldier, around level 6. I have strong weapons and armour. Basically, my blows miss, his land each time. Any tips? I've asked on multiple threads to gain wider responses.

Thanks.

 

Hmm that name doesn't seem familiar. What type of creature is he?