Mini Series Official "Obi-Wan Kenobi" Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Becuase even just from the Prequals we know Jedi can have friends - even close ones they consider akin to family - and if Jedi operated they way they would'nt deticate themselves to the Light Side and selflessly protecting people. Attachment is'nt forbidden, you just need to learn not to let your emotions control or compramise you.

And once you step *outside* the Prequels it becomes even clearer.

No; he had an reaction that was pure instinctual in response to what he witnessed in Kylo's mind, and the moment he realized what was happening he stood down; there was no more contemplation (or even thought, beyond "oh ****, I gotta put my saber away!") then there was when Obi-Wan drew his saber on Anakin in the Invisable Hand's turbolift

I'm not even sure how this is still being argued years after the fact; the movie is crystal clear what happens.

So it's not literal, just metaphorical?

I ask becuase a lot of people who use this argument *do* seem to literally view them as different people.

And Voldemort gets angry over the use of the name Tom Riddle.

The majority of Sith in canon and Legends use the "abandon old idenity, take new one" thing, so it's certainly not unique to Kylo and Anakin; even Maul's name probobly is'nt actually Maul, and Dooku and Palpatine only use their birth names for political purposes.

That seems like an incrediably convoluted way to look at it, no offense.

Actually they were created so tabletop roleplayers could have people to fight and outfox without the game allowing their characters to be powerful enough to fight and beat Vader and Palps

 

the heroes win, or at least have to escape week to week

 

Jerec, that is a name “I haven’t heard in a long time, a long time.”

 

Well that’s your view, I respect it, but I disagree. I see things differently and have made my case already.

 

Sorry, I’m not buying that the GI is so different looking because he’s a younger Pau’an or a subspecies or something. Whoever was in charge of designing him for live-action more than likely didn’t know his species was in ROTS, which is why we’ve got what we got. Here’s what he ought to look like:

 

Gotta say Disney loves them Becta tanks:

Book of Boba Fett
Star Wars Surivor (Fallen Order Sequel)
And Obi-Wan Kenobi

 

It’s an excuse for them to keep using fake-out deaths.

 

I gotta say, the idea that the people at LFL don't know what a Pau'an looks like in earlier media (and would be too lazy to check if they did'nt when doing so would take mere seconds) is, quite honestly, very amusing to me.

Tion Mendon in ROTS was played by Bruce Spence, the GI in Kenobi is played by Rupert Friend. Just looking at the pair of them will tell you all you need to know about why the characters have different body dimensions; it's not much more complicated then that.

I mean, the list is a lot longer then that; by all indications they're a standard piece of medical technology.

 

They are standard yes, but we only saw them in ESB, and Rogue One [Finn isn’t in a proper Becta in TLJ]. Meaning an actual iconic scene with Becta Tank was rare. Now they are in everything. I like em, not complaining, I just was highlighting its a new common focal point in SW media.

 

Ewan McGregor: "It was amazing watching the first two episodes of Obi Wan Kenobi the other night. I hope you love episode three, then four and five and six....and seven and eight and nine and ten"

He said that at Celebration today.

Second series tease?

 

I mean, that's fair; I grew up on Legends so I guess I'm used to them being commonplace already and "in everything" so to speak (plus they've show up plenty in canon stories that are'nt part of the films).

 

I grew up on legends too, Ulic Qel Droma is my hommie.

I meant we haven’t been seeing lots of becta tanks in SW films, shows, and video games in a major focal scenes till more recently.

 

This definitely looks better. But I'm alright with subspecies retcon too. It's not like they are going to correct it if we just complain about it enough. So there is no point in complaining about it anymore really. You have probably been heard already and I agree too. Many fans were disappointed in his appearance.

Generally I also hope they would pay more attention to designing aliens right. Ahsoka's lekkus and montrals were also far too short in Mandalorian as many pointed out, it's also a practical issue in live-action. Hot and heavy costumes are hindrance while they look good. That is probably part of the reason why they have to do these things. Compared to GI, Tion Medon and his people have very short scenes and only Tion has speaking role.

Pykes were also very different in live-action than they were in TCW. Sadly they doesn't seem to much care about continuity in such matters.

What comes to Bacta Tanks, they are commonplace in Star Wars media and have always been such. In movies we only see them in ESB and Rogue One though. It's an interesting notion. But ever since ESB they have been standard in SW Legends-stories. They also appeared a lot in TCW.

 

This is getting so tiring... If you kill someone - kill them!

 

Between Rogue One and this series, it just seems that unless Vader is actively deployed somewhere, he’s in a bacta tank.


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Which gives the Inquisitors more reason for existing.

 

I can totally understand his needing to spend a significant amount of time in a bacta tank.

 

What I don't get is how is the first time that Ben is hearing that Vader is alive, it's been 10 years.

also how come the inquisitors know about Anakin becoming Vader?

 

In all other instances I am aware of someone using a bacta tank, it heals them. Luke went from being mauled by the wompa to being fine by the time he left Hoth; Boba was damaged by Sarlaac digestion but after several bacta treatments was restored; and Finn was sliced up his back and placed in a bacta suit and was restored to 100% as far as I could tell in the hours that had passed since the events of TFA.

Vader seems to spend a good chunk of time in the bacta suit, and yet doesn’t really show any improvement. 23 years later his face is still covered in scars.

The bacta for him seems to just keep him at the status quo, as though his body is constantly breaking down outside of it and the bacta just repairs that day’s’ degradation.

In the EU it seemed like Vader was somewhat of a publicly known figure that would appear in holovids and get media attention. My understanding is that Obi-Wan found out about Vader still being alive in the EU through such means.

But now I’m not sure we can assume he is a publicly known person in the Disney era. Most people outside of the military may have never heard of Darth Vader, let alone know he’s Anakin.

Leia eventually knows of Vader by the time of ANH, but during this time I’m guessing Bail doesn’t even know about Vader, otherwise it’s awkward he didn’t tell Obi-Wan.




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Obi-Wan was intentionally off the grid on Tatooine. He didn’t keep up with galactic news.

As for your second question, Reva knew of Anakin from her childhood in the Jedi Temple. Since she also knows Vader from her work in the Inquisitors, she put two and two together. Or maybe Vader just told her.

It’s not surprising in the least that those who work closely with Vader know who is under the armor. Hell, even Tarkin knew.

 

He’s been working at a meat packing plant and commuting. It seems like he’s mostly been separated from everyone and everything beyond that. The Empire and Vader haven’t seemed very interested in Tatoooine.

And so far only one Inquisitor seems to know the truth. The why to that may be part of a mystery box for all we know. Was Reva a padwan at the temple? Did she see Anakin as Vader there and then again in the suit and just put two and two together?

 

Its interesting his wounds cannot fully heal unlike Boba.

 

Wasn't there also the concept that Vader was constantly improving and tinkering with this own suit, because Palpatine purposefully made the suit torturing.

I could easily imagine that, that, along with wear and tear, and battles, that Vader is constantly getting injured.

He does look rather 'healed', all things considered, by ROTJ when he finally takes his mask off.

 

Perhaps the severity of his wounds took that many years to heal, and as you said he kept getting new ones.

 

Well there’s Snoke whose body is all broken, and Palpatine who looks like all of his muscle has atrophied under his skin. KOTOR ran with that idea too that the Dark Side degrades the body.

Dooku and Kylo kind of threw a wrench in that. They didn’t even get the yellow eyes, while a an inquisitor like G.I. does.

There now really isn’t any rhyme or reason to it anymore.

But the Mortis arc really played up the imagery of light side and Dark side as things like life, light, warmth vs death, cold, dark. They did more of a blatant yin/yang thing.

If I run with that concept I can maybe extrapolate in my head canon that between being half machine and succumbing to the Dark Side, that his body isn’t healing as it would otherwise.

But as I said, after 2002 the whole Dark Side degradation really became at the whims of whomever was telling a particular story. It didn’t serve the story to have Dooku look demonic in any way, so he didn’t, but no canon explanation was ever given as to why not.

I asked Dave Filoni in one of his post-season Q&As about it and he said that if you look closely there are certain scenes in TCW where Dooku appears with yellow eyes to show he’s drawing on the Dark Side. I’ve never been able to spot any such instance though.


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