Mini Series Official "Obi-Wan Kenobi" Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I was like "are they really going to do the talking through the wall thing from the hobbit"

 

I called it among others.

I assumed Yoda and Obi-Wan were originally meant to be in the Jedi Council chamber and the location was changed creating a second group of younglings. I never expected that to become a major plot point 17 years later.

You mean when the Dwarves were barricaded in Erebor? They designed a hole in the wall of rubble they piled up specifically for that.

 

I've enjoyed this show but I was kinda hoping for something else out of it. Conceptually, the idea of Obi-Wan being broken down and learning to regain hope again after the most traumatic event of his life sounds really good. And, though there are elements of that, the show dwells more on moving its "save Leia" plot than it characters. The show focuses more on "get from A to B", "find this quest giver to get to secret hideout", "pass speech check with this villain/reluctant ally". It's more like an RPG than a character drama. I was hoping for something more introspective. More scenes of Obi-Wan talking with people and debating the best way forward in the imperfect world they live in. More scenes about the Force and what Obi-Wan thinks Luke and Leia's roles will be. How does Obi-Wan feel about the prophecy of the chosen one and Anakin's role as Darth Vader? Does he have a crisis of faith? (beyond just being rusty with a lightsaber and lacking self-confidence?). Dialogue with Qui-Gon about those things. The first episode was good in this regard. I liked his discussions with Bail, the Jedi on the run, and Uncle Owen. But then it just became a big fetch quest.

 

@JEDI-RISING I thought Hayden (and Ewan) looked fine in that scene.

Like yeah, obviously their a fair bit older then they actually were in 2002. But it was belivable IMO and I was able to buy that it was the pre-ATOC versions of the characters.

I think Obi-Wan was using the Force to make their voices clearer or something becuase of how the scene was presented (with him touching the door and seeming to concentrate before the conversation).

I knew at least one person had (I had called that she would be a youngling as soon as I saw that scene in the first episode, but not that her group of younglings would be the one Obi-Wan and Yoda found).

 

Maybe.

But I boldly, and with 99% doubt, say...

Raddus, Madine, Mothma or Bail. Don't know how they know they're stalled, but they were heading to a supposedly "safe place"...

 

‘I say we fight’

 

"Get me a Hammerhead corvette, I have an idea. A tactic, which might be useful later..."

 

Re: the flashback scene. Star Wars often has an unfortunate habit of reminding me that i’m no longer a wide eyed hopeful youth who can enjoy things on a superficial level, a naive tadpole that takes life for granted, an innocent who only sees the good, never the bad. For instance, back in the eighties I had no clue as to the horrific truth behind Little Jimmy Krankie.

To me he was just a cheeky schoolboy scamp. I never saw the reality. The reality being that he was really a middle aged woman dressed as a schoolboy. Not only that, he (she) was married to the actor who played his (her) dad. Even when a mean cousin pointed all this out, as a child I just wasn’t bothered.

But now, as a cynical middle aged man, can I tolerate another middle aged man playing a yoof in a sci-fi fantasy saga? Apparently not. Shame on me. And shame on them. It was actually a pretty good scene that added a bit of depth to both the episode, and the series as a whole. What gives Disney?

 

i kind of wonder about Vader grabbing a ship out of the sky. it's been done in video games yeah, but they do a lot of things in other places. some have said 'why didn't he do that to the Millenium Falcon in TESB? well Lucas didn't make force users as powerful as others do
but the other part of it is we know Vader never reached his full potential because of his injuries. Lucas said that many times during the prequel era.

 

Wait...so Vader can grab an entire space ship out of thin air and slam it to the ground but a few episodes back he couldn't use the Force to pick up Obi-Wan because some flames were in the way? Amazing!

Oh right, we were supposed to think that Vader purposely let Kenobi get away but then he was super pissed about it later. And Vader let Kenobi get away a few episodes ago so that he would lead them to the Rebels...except when that happened in the most recent episode Vader was only concerned about Kenobi. He didn't care about Ice-Cube Jr. and his buddies.

 

On the one hand there is TESB ( though possibly the Falcon had too much momentum at that point ), but on the other hand, in Rebels S2 the Fifth Brother and the Seventh Sister working together held a ship back in similar fashion.

 

I never really bought that. I thought then, and still think now, that that was just Lucas moving the goal posts to try and explain the difference between the lightsaber fights in the PT compared to Obi-Wan and Vader's duel in ANH. Also, Yoda did lift an X-Wing in TESB.

 

I really don't get some of you guys; it really looks like some of you are *looking* for things to complain about; like even when you get *exactly* what you want you find some reason to get annoyed.

"We need a flashback!" *we get a flashback * "This flashback looks terrible!!!"

"Why did'nt Vader use the Force to stop Obi-Wan from escaping!?" *Vader uses the Force to (try) and stop Obi-Wan from escaping.* "Vader shouldn't have done that!!!"

"Reva killed the Grand Inqusitor! That breaks canon!" *the Grand Inqusitor is revealed to have survived* "It's so stupid he survived!"

It's been done in books, comics and shows as well; and even in movies (Yoda in ESB, Rey and Luke in TROS).

Canon Vader has WAY more impressive TK feats then this anyway. But even if he did'nt if Rey of all people can do it, he can do it for sure.

I don't think that's the route canon has gone down; Vader is a *beast* whose sole'd armies, Force choked Kiiju and - when channeling the power of a Force Nexus - ripped holes in the fabric of reality - he's like the lovechild of Hela and Thanos.

At no point whatsoever is it even suggested we are supposed to think that.

Heck Vader himself, at the start of the episode your talking about, flat-out says that *only* Kenobi mattered.

 

The flashbacks did not look bad. I do think they made a mistake not de-aging though.

 

I think what some are saying is there's no consistency in character motivations. if vader can bring down a ship why wouldnt he just pick Obi Wan up with the force and bring him across the fire. Things just happen in the show without character motivation backing it up. Vader was obviously mad in episode 4 and 5 that Obi Wan escaped, yet vader let him escape on purpose in ep. 3 unless he didnt. those two things contradict each other, unless also we are to believe vader can only use the force strongly every so often??? If you don't get how that could be problematic to some viewers I don't know what to say.

 

Agree about the first variant. Also would be a great parallel to R1 with Profundity this time saving a ship with Leia on board.

 

Random thought! Ned-B is a loading unit, so does that mean that he is one of the mythical Load Lifter's that 3PO used to program? According to 3PO they are very similliar to Moisture Vaporator's

 

Exactly. In the episode where Vader and Kenobi fight and Kenobi is injured and carried away by the robot there were a lot of folks here who didn't understand why Vader didn't do more to stop them get away and the counterargument from others was that Vader purposely let Kenobi get away. I personally thought the latter was bogus.

 

Ya'll say "Raddus will come to save them" and mean Admiral Fishton Churchbar from R1.

I hear "Raddus will come to save them" and think a cruiser is going to hyperspace ram Vader's ship

I think I'm just old fashioned; I remember when a character being made to look "younger" in a flashback was just a matter of giving them a different haircut.

Is it problematic to them all the other times he - and multipule other characters - could do something but don't?

• Is it problematic that Vader did'nt grab the Falcon in ESB? Is it problematic that he did'nt grab Luke and hold him down in the carbon freezing pit so he could'nt get out later in that movie?
• Is it probematic that Force users almost never do this, this, this or this to "muggle" opponents, but instead get in drawn out fights allowing (oftentimes multipule) people to shoot them?
• Why don't Force users crush blaster or (turbo)laser barrels right as they fire, causing them to explode and damage/destroy ships and kill their soldiers?
• Since Force users can manipulate fire, is it problematic that there's no firebending? Why did'nt Vader or Obi-Wan pull hurl columes of lava at each other during their duel on Mustafar?
• Why are'nt peaple throwing up Force shields all the time to protect themselve from incoming fire and running around so fast they become blurs? We know they can do this, so is it problematic that it's not happening all the time?
• Is it problematic that nobody ever crushes their oppenants lightsaber hilt telekenetically or kills them by crushing whatever armor their wearing?
• Is it problematic that Palpatine just let Vader carry him over to a bottomless pit and throw him down it? (And that once thrown he did'nt levitate himself back out and attack both Vader and Luke?)
• Is it problematic that it's only ever occured to *one* Force user ever, and *only* in Legends, to do this to Grevious?
• Why did a bunch of Force ghosts need to posses Rey to take down Palpatine when they can all use the Force just fine and just Yoda or Anakin's ghost alone should have been able to handle him alone?

If someone is going to complain about how something is "problematic" or "does'nt make sense" that's fine, but be consistent; becuase otherwise it just looks like they're making selective criticims of something they don't like and excusing the same/similer problems in media they do enjoy.

Boom. See, simple headcanon.

Problem solved, people

People speculated that's what he was doing. The only people I can recall who claimed that's what he was doing are people now, after the fact and after it's been proved otherwise.

 

again, cartoons

 

@JEDI-RISING

Cartoons are canon (or at least the ones being discussed are), so I don't see the relevence of which form of media the ability to grab and hold/move ships with the Force has previously appeared in.

But again, it's not like we've never seen this in the films anyway.

 

What i like about Yoda lifting up the x wing is that it doesnt seem to be so easy, he has to concentrate and the ship is not moving fast. And yet there is a sense of wonder in Luke's eyes. I appreciate that originally the jedi werent depicted as superheroes or powerful wizards. The PT went a bit too far with their powers here and here but it was still ok. It's the video games that took it all too far. The Force Unleashed syndrome. Too many force push force pull etc...they turned force sensitives into nearly-invincible psychic warriors. In the movies the Jedi and Sith are far from being unstoppable magicians. I always had the impressions the force gave them a special edge, an extra sensibiliy and a few special abilities when they concentrate hard, but they're not exactly psychic telepaths like eleven in stranger things or magical humans like Thor, superman etc..and they could get killed or injured by normal humans..

In Kenobi, Vader's force pull felt too easy and the ship weightless. Had we seen Vader focus harder qnd longer with the ship on the verge of escaping his control but slowly moving back i would have been impressed at his mastery of the force. But the way it was done i just thought, "ok, magic powers, potter-style..no big deal.."