ST Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

If Disney uses Star Wars like Marvel, which they said they would, they will crib ideas, characters, and maybe specific arcs from the EU the way they use Marvel comics as a source to mine for movies. Like "Captain America" takes a lot from Brubaker's run, "The Avengers" takes a lot from "The Ultimates" but I wouldn't call them adaptations but definitely "inspired by". That's more love for the EU.

 

Except Marvel canon is not like Star Wars. Stop using it as an example

 

NO. Stop assuming that LFL policy is written in stone and will never change.

 

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I don't see any validation or proof for your stance aside from wild mass guessing

 

It's called persuasive evidence. It's not meant be the word of God. None of us know anything (except Darth Dru). But there is no conversation to be had with you, if you keep quoting LFL scripture like its October 29th, 2012. It's your prerogative to feel that way, but not to tell other people that their conjecture is invalid.

 

It's not valid to begin with brah

 

What part of "none of us know anything (except Darth Dru)" do you not understand?

 

Now the Mouse owns both, though. Lucasfilm could totally adapt to Marvel's usage of it's source materiel to the films Good to use it as an example because, y'know, Mickey is the one running them both.

 

I'm sure there are people on this board who actually do have some level of inside track, but this aint it.

 

It's worked pretty well with the Marvel Movieverse, too, which is another reason it might reappear.

 

Considering also that when the ST was first announced the words "like Marvel" were flying around all over the place, I think it's really likely. And they mentioned the thousands of Star Wars characters, I can't see that being "But we won't use them at all!" Dip into the EU pool, grab what you like, morph, mix, add a new coat of paint, toss it into the flicks.

 

Esg: Your Argument From Authority doesn't hold when the Authority is both

1) Known to change his mind in general
2) In this particular case (making films post-RotJ) obviously having already changed his mind

And these two points are true whether the Authority is GL or LFL

How can you be so trusting? How old are you?

 

Bingo, Stoney. LOL! Okay, i'll come clean, guys....truth is i'm a time traveler from the future. I've come back in time to save mankind from more unnecessary SW. The ST was good, don't get me wrong, but after that things got outta hand and after several decades of Disney Star Wars spin offs, people became Lucas-zombies. This new disease threatens our very existence as a species in the future. Everyone started to shrink, and develop big pointed ears and green wrinkly skin. They walk around all day repeating "more star wars we must have". I was sent back to stop this abomination from ever occurring. I decided on 1999 first where i pleaded with Lucas not to do it, but it was no use, the big guy wouldn't listen and TPM was unleashed upon us all, "NOOOooooooooo" i cried! I decided to regroup. I spoke briefly with Steve Sansweet and slipped him a few ideas, luckily i was just in time to help make Episode 3 not suck. However, my plan may have backfired because i think several of my ideas were also used to make more EU!!! "NOOOooooooooo" i cried again! Then to make matters worse, my time machine broke down in 2013 while on my way to see what i could do about Episode 7, and i've been stuck here ever since. That's the last time i ever use a time machine made by Disney. God help us all.

 

LMAO!

 

Where exactly did you see this information that states they are going to treat Star Wars exactly how they treat Marvel?

I hope Disney wouldn't be so simple as to view Marvel - a franchise with many different continuities already, the same as Star Wars - a franchise that by definition from LFL has always attempted to maintain one singular continuity.

Since the early 1990's Star Wars has maintained one continuity, for better or worse. There have been changes here and there but they worked hard to include stuff like the intial Marvel run and even the Holiday Special.

It has nothing to do with being trusting, it has nothing to do with George Lucas's take on the situation. It is a reality that has been around for for roughly two decades. Even this past year LFL has been publishing books that provide continuity on how TCW cartoon and the rest of the universe fit together.

Almost everything still fits. We just would like to see that maintained. It's not an issue of characters needing to appear, it's more an issue of the universe being used in such a way by these new films change as little as possible.

This has been LFL's tradition and business model for a long time, and its been very successful for them. Why Disney would feel like they have to come along and change LFL's highly effective approach(and I don't know that this is what will happen, I'm just making a what if thought), that part doesn't make sense to me.

There is no doubt that canon and continuity will be changed by the new films, but if Disney(in association with LFL) can keep those changes small there is no reason that this franchise can't please all its fans on some level.

I still can't imagine that a company as smart as Disney is will seek to completely discard one significant portion of the existing fanbase for no good reason. It would not make business sense.

 

"Liking it to fit" is one thing. Living in denial and suppressing rage is another.


Jokes aside, I would love to hear some realistic conjecture *cough* on how the EU could even survive under the new paradigm. A new movie every 1-2 years (from various possible eras) is a major change in the way LFL does business. These filmmakers are not going to prone to want to poor over lore, or tiptoe around eras with established events. And no, hiring Kinsberg and Kasdan to accurately recreate A.C. Crispin books word for word is not realistic. Since adapting rarely if ever means "carbon copy," even adaptations of EU material are problematic for maintaining continuity. So how is this supposed to work?

 

Your asssumption doesn't hold when there is still a keeper of contunity. Stop stonewalling

 

The Disney Marvel films all take place in the same continuity. I think the point was that they'll likely plan the same approach with Star Wars. Episodes VII, VIII and IX will be the big "Avengers" style movies, where as the ones inbetween will be smaller character focused endeavours that eventually feed into the big picture.

The EU simply gives them too much baggage to carry. I imagine things will work exactly as it has with the Clone Wars animated series.. Certain aspects will remain intact, we'll probably see or at least hear references to particularly characters, but there's no way in hell there going to let it interfere with their desire to tell a new story. Things like Admiral Thrawn and that whole era of post-ROTJ is likely going to be the first things tossed aside.

 

I wonder how long LFL will allow this "debate" to go on? When will they make some sort of announcement about it? My guess is that they won't and we'll just have to wait until Ep.VII is released to find out where they fall on the matter. Unfortunately.

 

Well, really, we should know well before the film comes out. Things like casting and any "prequel" novels and comics should serve as a pretty big indicator.

 

Casting news would help, but not completely answer the question. For example: if we see that Kerri Russell is cast as Jaina Solo (just saw that she wants a part in the ST), then all we'll know is that LFL is at least looking at the EU. That could be just that she is a character in the movie, but not that all of her EU "backstory" will be intact. We won't know that until we see the movie.

 

I really wish LFL would make an official statement regarding the EU's canon status. By now, with Lucas's treatments and Arndt probably having started writing his script, they must know for a certainty whether the EU, or at least the post-Endor EU, is going to be retained fully, partially, or not at all. Making an official statement on the subject settling the matter once and for all would be a nice courtesy to the fans who have spent money and time on the EU, and are now uncertain of its canon status (or of whether they should make new post-Endor EU purchases).

 

If they do know, and I suspect that you are correct..that they do, and it turns out that it will be some level of disregard, and knowing that there are currently books and comics in the works scheduled for release between now and 2015, announcing that now would hurt profits. If people know that bookcomic X will be disregarded/overwritten/etc. in 2 years, why would that person spend their money on that book/comic? Sure, die-hard EU fans will, but the casual fan wouldn't. However, if they don't announce anything, they'll have 2 more years of people buying their product. And then, when the movie hits and the truth is out, most people will be more likely just to buy the new stuff and forget about the old EU. Hedging their bets so to speak. It's a risk, but the general public is fickle. So I think LFL comes out on top anyway.

 

Hmmm...I just thought of something. DH had several comics that carried an "Infinities" identification. All LucasBooks would have to do is label various existing books/comics as "Infinities", and then carry on with new material continuing the story "canon" as it will exist with the release of the new movies. Just a thought.

 

Yeah, it makes better business sense not to announce the disregarding of the EU if it's happening.

All the arguments about the whole EU being dumped or not forgets one fundamental thing about the Star Wars franchise... it's primarily a film franchise. The movies are the highest level of canon... they wouldn't even need to change policy to overwrite tons of EU stuff with a movie that contradicts the books. The policy is built specifically for the movies to take precedence over everything else.

So if the films overwrite something, that's the policy of LFL and always has been. G-canon overrides all other canon.