Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost

^Completly right,Shaw ruins Hayden's portrayal of Anakin.

 

^No GL could of wanted to wait until people saw Anakin all charred up in episode 3.Bald,pale,Shaw will be gone and charred looking Hayden will be there instead,the way it should be.

 

How the hell does Shaw ruin Hayden's portrayal of Anakin? Because he's acting in some way other than a whiny, indignant little *****?

 

I think Lucas tinkered with jedi to much. The enhancements in Hope and Empire really just brought the pictures up to a flawless new level, where with Jeid he keeps changing stuff.

 

I dont agree with the arguement 'we saw Hayden turn into Vader...'. Maybe because the OT is in a completely different place in my mind for me, I just dont connect AOTC and ROTS with the originals in any way, even though the characters names are the same (I am a HUGE fan of TPM though). I dont know, it just feels like Lucas is messing with my childhood memories by changing them around to much.

 

Oh please So saying about thirty seconds of dialogue, and being a force ghost for about the same amount of time, should be the way Anakin should be portrayed? As opposed to an actor that was Anakin for two films, now three in ROTJ? Right..... Anakin was supposed to be a whiny TEENAGER in AOTC. He was not whiny in ROTS. Again I will say, I don't remember anyone raving about Shaw before the switch.

 

I think its not so much people raving about Shaw, but the fact that thats the way it was for 20 years, and for people who dont love the prequels, they want the originals to remain the way they loved them.

 

Then they can hold onto their VHS and LaserDisc copies. Seriously, NO ONE is making them buy any of these new versions.

 

My VHS's of the originals have been watched so many times they look terrible, and I never got laser disc players. I've been waiting for the OT on DVD for years, I wish it was just the cleaned up 97 versions, which mostly they are, except the ghost.

 

I hate hayden because of this change.Sebastian Shaw was a good man.His face was also very meaningful.However,hayden is looking luke like an idiot.That must really upset lukeIs my father was idiot or is he not the choosen one?am I really his son?How can I be son of this stupid man?

 

I have news for you - ROTJ was released in 1983, ROTS in 2005. Hayden was not even a twinkle in Lucas's eye at this point.

StormTrooper1776, I know you want to change everything about the OT to match the PT. But at least try to respect the original movies. Does Alec Guinness "ruin" Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan? After all, McGregor had more screen time than Guinness. To a future viewer, Ewan will surely be the more familiar face. OMG - plothole! - Alec Guinness is too old and looks nothing like Ewan! Let's go back and change the movies again.

For better or worse, Lucas cast Shaw as the older Anakin and Hayden as the young version. I keep hearing this argument that "nobody thought Shaw was that brilliant until he was replaced by Hayden" but neither can I recall anyone having problems with Shaw before Lucas changed the scene for the DVD.

 

*hand up* I did, back in 1983. But I learnt to accept it.

I didn't mind the change to Hayden as the force ghost. However, I would hate it if they now removed Sebastian Shaw completely from the unmasked sequence. They?ve already done that wee bit of CGI to change his face and I think that?s enough.

Personally, I don?t see it happening anyway..?.

 

What problems exactly, out of interest? Did you just not like Shaw? Did you think he was too old?

Speaking for myself, I felt that Shaw looked exactly the right age for the unmasked Vader. I now know that he was in his 70s, but I honestly think he can pass for a 50 year old in that original ghost scene. And don 't forget we didn't know in 1983 how old Anakin was supposed to be. The PT has shown him to be much younger than many expected when he turned to the dark side. Hence the supposed "problem" with Shaw's age.

Hmm. Lucas has changed things in the past, only to change them again. The Han/Greedo debacle - Jabba in ANH - Luke's scream in ESB - the end celebration in ROTJ - the list goes on & on. The current versions of the movies is simply how Lucas sees the movies right now. No doubt his vision will change again. I wonder when the fans will say "enough"?

 

It doesn't matter if the fans will say "enough", and it's not like they'll collectively rise up and storm the Ranch. The fans don't decide what Lucas will do with his own films. He's not changing them on a whim, he changed the DVD version to better fit in with ROTS. Now that all 6 movies are done and tied together, there probably isn't much need to keep doing it. But anyway there are 3 different versions available, any hypothetical future versions will not change that.

 

So can you explain why each and every release is different from the last? Why the 1997 SE's were billed as George's "definitive vision"? This is like scratching an itch to Lucas. He simply can't stop.

How long will these older versions remain available? VHS deteriorates over time. Lucas is determined to eradicate the O-OT from film history, and he appears to be getting his way. The only comfort is that the current DVDs will be obsolete with the next release. I'll be interested to see how many here will be happy to shell out for yet another version.

(And in case you were wondering, no, I didn't buy the DVDs.)

 

Why cant Mr.Lucas give Sanctuary Moon and those people a two/three month limited release of those films instead of releasing Bowling balls,Toilet rolls and Red Darth Vaders and transforming tie fighters,which surely would not comprise his Vision for the Star Wars Universe and then thats it either you grab in now or you are out of luck...

 

Mr Bungle-I agree that he should give us a limited release of the originals.

Sanctuary Moon-you said just what I was thinking-VHS deteriorates over time and pretty soon we will not even have access to the originals. Its a shame. I know many people who refused to buy the DVD's because of the changes. I bought them becaused I know Lucas will never put the very originals on DVD. And I couldnt agree more-its like an itch! Its like what does he feel like toying with this week. The jabba sequence makes me want to cry-it is so out of place..

I feel that young people do not have nostalgia for the originals,like us older people do, so they have no problems changing it because it has the same emotional pull for them as the PT. Im not being insulting by saying that at all-there was not a huge gap in time between when they saw the two so it is entirely understandable that the movies are in the same vein to them. But for me I have absolutely no interest in the two trilogies 'matching up' because they are not even in the same ballpark, and thats not my fault either. I was born in '77 so, for me my whole childhod is wrapped up in Star Wars (OTthe way it WAS) and the PT is just so seperate. so messing with the OT is JUST WRONG. I mean should Lucas just redo the whole OT with CGI? Would that make these people happy?

 

I know that Anakin was supposed to be whiny. But the fact is that Sebastian Shaw in no way ruins Hayden Christensen's portrayal of Anakin. I honestly don't understand how anyone could say that.

 

Im with you Hansolo29-my VHS tapes are shot to you know where-and I think the longtime fans should be ablt to get the originals on DVD as well.

 

People saying Shaw isnt consistent?! He was in the movie when Hayden C. was a toddler, so if anything Hayden wasnt consistent.

I wish Lucas would just just make a CGI remake for the teenagers who have no emotional attachment to the originals, and leave the original version alone for fans of it.

 

That argument is weak at best. Within the Star Wars saga as a whole, Shaw is not consistent. The character was portrayed by Hayden for a lot longer on screen.

I have no problem with Shaw being there, but have no problem with the switch. The switch does make sense to the overall story.

 

I read your post up until VIEWING THE SAGA AS A WHOLE.- I DON'T. The originals from 77, 80, and 83 are not connected with prequels at all in my mind, so I cant really respond. Its just when you grow up obsessed with something for 28 years, you cant just start changing it. But thats just my feeling about it.

 

Why is Shaw not consistent? Young Anakin is played by Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen; old Anakin is played by Sebastian Shaw. Young Obi-Wan is played by Ewan MacGregor; old Obi-Wan is played by Alec Guinness. What's wrong with having different actors playing the older parts, especially when the actors who played their younger selves were little kids at the time that the older characters were being portrayed? There's nothing wrong with showing an older man under the helmet who isn't Hayden, regardless of how much screentime Hayden has had as Anakin. As was mentioned before, Ewan MacGregor has more screentime as Obi-Wan than Alec Guinness, but I don't see you calling for Guinness's replacement.

 

The teenagers who want to change everything are on my nerves, people life yourself that have no emotional attachment to the way the OT was originally made because you dont understand the sentiment-there werent enough years between when you saw each-they are in the same category to you-for people like myself you cant love something for 28 years and then like that it is changed for no reason except the directors whims.


Ewan has more screen time the Guiness???? YOu're comparing the 2? That is hilarios-you are showing your age. If Alec Guiness didnt do such a phenomenal job the Ewan Mcgrgor would never had the chance to star in movies that weould never have been made, if not for the success as the OT-AS IS