Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost

First of all, there is a resemblance between the older, and younger Obi-Wan. Shaw and Hayden look nothing alike. I did not think that needed to be explained!! Shaw is fine under the helmet. I was talking about how it makes sense to have Hayden as the force ghost. Also, Alec shaped Ewen's portrayal of that character. Ewen even says so. Hayden had his own portrayal of Anakin. Also, Yes, Shaw looked better in the force ghost scene, but Hayden could have done a better job if he knew what he was doing, and made to look older.

Also, I hope you are not calling me a radical, calling for all kinds of changes...If you are, get you facts straight. Look at my posts on this subject and tell me where I said that a change has to be made, and that I want as many changes as possible. I have said that the switch makes sense, not that it has to be made, or should be.

 

DanaSolo


who are you talking about? Have you read my posts? Do you know my age? I have never said that changes should be made. I said that some make sense. Get your facts straight, before you post. And, you "I want it my way" and "my childhood is getting messed with" fans get on my nerves.

I am not a teenager by the way, or a fan with no sentiment towards the O-OT. I want it on dvd just as much as the next guy. Again for the last time!!!!! I said the changes make sense, not that they should or have to be made!!!!

 

this should not be a debate about whos the better actor,alot of people didnt like haydens portrayal of anakin.even so he was chosen to portray him for 2 of the prequels!sebastian shaw portrayed an aging DARTH VADER,the ghost version of anakin never existed and the only reason shaw played anakins ghost in ROTJ is because he didnt know who would play young anakin!

 

^^^ This is revisionism, pure and simple.

When Lucas made the OT, he did not know whether he would get around to making the PT. This is fact. For some reason however, since the DVD release, I'm seeing more and more posts saying "Oh, Shaw was never meant to be there" and "Lucas originally wanted to use a young Anakin but it would confuse the audience".

What's your backup for this? Quotes from Lucas himself? You must realise that Lucas has a habit of justifying his latest round of changes by saying it was "always meant to be this way". If you want to believe him, I don't blame you, but you might want to take a look at the countless contradictory comments he's made about his supposed "vision" before making your final judgement.

 

*stumbles over the thread*

Just watched the new ending of RotJ lately and burst into tears.
Not only because my favourite end-music was gone but alos because Daddy Skywalker was gone. want him back
I can understand why they put that new guy in there *looks name up* Hayden Christensen, right.
Actually I don't like him at all, babyface off evil, can't take him seriously, sorry.
I didn't understabnd in first place why Prowse was not shown, but since he didn't get to play Vader without mask either... Well, I don't get it.

Maybe it's wors when you grew up with the old Skywalker. I f you don't know it was different, why bother. Might make loads of sense, too.
But I'm a conservatve, I don't go for sense. I want Daddy Skywalker back, and if that means I mut return to video, so be it.
*rant, rant rant, grumble, swear, rant*

 

I am an O-OT fan, but of the changes this was one that didn't bother me as much. I'd rather it be Sebastian Shaw, but other changes REALLY pissed me off more. I have quite a few friends tho who are completely up in arms over Hayden being there.
I don't like the end montage either. For all three of those movies the environment of the story very intimately revolved around THIS particular group of people, then suddenly at the end you are given a galaxy-wide view about how all these other people are reacting? Makes no sense, and is out of place. I mean it would be expected that they are all celebrating, but they were never freaking shown to exist in the other chapters (4-6 anyway), wth?

 

DRHJ9 I wasnt addressing that to you-sorry for the confusion.

SanctuaryMoon and MsLanna, I couldnt agree more with both of your posts.

Lucas has contradicted himself more times than I can count. Id have more respect for him if he didnt lie and keep saying 'this is the REALLY REAL way I wanted it!' and then a week later come out with something else 'definative'. Im so tired of these people(mostly teens) who think the prequels and OT must 'match up'. Its totally ludicrous.

Its one thing to clean up the special effects-but to add in CGI characters, start changing the music, adding new scenes, taking out old scenes...it looses the flavor and authenticity of the original movie and what made it special. So if he thinks he needs to do all this and pacify himself or these teenagers-he should just make a new CGI movie for them and leave the OT alone.

 

DanaSolo

No problem, sorry if I sounded a little harsh in my response. I thought you were taking me for a person who wants to have all kinds of changes, for the sake of making them. I want the O-OT on dvd just like you.

 

No problem, sometimes its hard to tell whos responding to who, I should have put the name of the poster in my post.

 

Hold on a second. DanaSolo, you were arguing with him originally, not me. Look back at the other pages, you were quoting his posts and responding to him, not me. I was arguing against him too, I wasn't arguing with you. He was the one saying that having Hayden under the mask makes more sense, I wasn't. Either you didn't read my post right or I don't know what's up.

 

That end music went in 1997!

 

Not to mention that the new music is oh-so-much more fitting.

 

Yea, 'tis verily so.

 

See what is totally confusing about Hayden being the ghost, Luke should realistically have no clue who that man standing beside Obi-Wan is.

By them using Shaw it makes sense to Luke that its his father since he looks moderatly the same from when he died.

Also Hayden doesnt even have the scar, whats up with that?

 

Hayden doesn't have the scar or his mechanical hand because the Force basically heals yours wounds. If you want to say that argument, then you should basically be saying "Why didn't Shaw have four mechanical limbs and a burned, bald head" as well. So, the "Hayden doesn't have the scar or mechanical hand" argument is very, very weak.

Also, the music from the O-ROTJ was just not fitting. It was almost innapropriate for such a climactic ending to the Saga. "Victory Celebration" is MUCH more climactic, while the "Ewok Celebration (Niub Nub)" was VERY childish.

 

I understand it from that point.

But still it would confuse me at least if I was Luke looking at a new person standing next to Obi-Wan.

What would make you think thats your father?

 

Just a feeling in the Force. He knew that his father was a young Jedi Knight at one point. Perhaps he just "knew", just like Leia "always knew" about Luke being her brother.

It's one of those things that you just know. And, Luke was obviously happy about seeing his father like that.

 

Hi, I was just responding to whoever was trashing me. Im sorry if the wrong person thought I meant them!! It's all good, we're all here because we love the same thing.

 

You just need to think outside of the box. That is what Lucas is trying to get us to do, IMO. He just wants us to think instead of being spoonfed every little detail.

 

I really doubt that, at least George Lucas's writing shows that there isnt that much depth in the dialogue or the amount of cheesiness in the dialogue.

He keeps changing the original trilogy since he himself doesnt know what the answer to it is or what he even wants.

 

The connection is just as easily made when you watch the saga as a whole. Who else is Luke supposed to think it is, right after he saw his father die?

 

Some unknown person. There is no real reason for him to think thats his father. At least he cant think its 100%

And it confuses anyone

 

I agree-hes looking at a ghost of his father whose 10 years younger then him-yet the current Obi Wan stayed the same...Im positive Luca must be stopped before total dementia takes over.

 

He's not ten years younger. In that scene, they both appear the same age: 23 years old.