Official Traitor thread. (poss. spoilers)

When Vergere stripped hom of the Force (or so he thought she did anyway) she forced him to look at the Force from a whole new perspective. The Force is one, and the Vong are part of that "one." They were just on a different "wavelenght" so to speak. She liberated him from the traditional views of the Force.

I think the Slave Seed was just a tool used by Vergere and diddnt really have anything to do with his sensing the Vong at all.


BTW it all makes since at the end of this phenominal book.

 

So if Ganner dies with Anakin's lightsaber, who is on the cover of DW with an Amethyst colored lightsaber?

 

i think it's just another oversight, or mistake, on the artist's part. i mean, look at Traitor's cover. Jacen didn't look like anything he was described in the novel to be, and Coruscant was covered with moss, which was not shown on the cover, and there was an X-wing. the mistake with hte color of the lightsaber on DW's cover just shows how many artist's are making mistakes with the NJO.

 

Yeah, i don't think the artists even read drafts of the book, maybe just an outline, so they can't represent it very well unlesss they keep it pretty general.

 

I had no idea people obsessed over the covers of these books. Seems almost anti-Star Wars.

Yoda - Judge me by my size, do you?
(judge a book by it's cover, do you?)

I am aware of the hints, clues, and symbolism prevalent in most of the NJO book covers, but bashing Del Rey or the artists who create them? Come on.

 

I am aware of the hints, clues, and symbolism prevalent in most of the NJO book covers, but bashing Del Rey or the artists who create them? Come on.

well I am aware of the pessimistic, illogical, and unintelligent thoughts of insensitive NJO fans, but bashing other NJO fans who want to see good covers? Come on.

 

While I love DJs, Traitor's just pure doesnt make sense.

 

"well I am aware of the pessimistic, illogical, and unintelligent thoughts of insensitive NJO fans, but bashing other NJO fans who want to see good covers? Come on."

My comments were none of the above.
I did not "bash" NJO fans. I think you're being a little too sensitive. They are ONLY book covers. Sheesh.

 

i'm sorry, i forgot you don't know me well enough to know i love to get rises out of people. i just said that for my pure enjoyment. i really don't care, though, but i hate DJ's and Traitor's covers.

 

Well, you got close.

 

OMG! I hated this book. Three words... blah blah blah. I usually read a book of this length in about 5 hours. I couldn't read it and if it wasn't part of the series I would have thrown it away. This book just dragged on and on and on and on.

This is kinda trivial, but how many times did he talk about hyperspace and it being nothing? What was the point; To bore me?

Now there is no dark or light side to the Force cause Vergere says so? I guess Yoda is just an idiot and never figured that out.

The last chapter was pretty cool but not enough to make me stop hating this book.

I'm wondering if readers will question everything Jacen does now that he's had a brush with the dark side like they do Luke and Kyp.

 

wedge 88...han and leia do indeed make a cameo appearance at the end of the book.

read it again.


i understand the authour was contracted to write specifically about the return of jacen..it just doesnt feel like star wars being written solely about one person..too much story and psychobabble. this is not to say that it wasnt a good written piece..its just doesnt seem all there.

 

Quiwan, did you and I read the same "Traitor"? Besides, he only did the "Outside the universe, there is nothing" routine twice, at the beginning and end of the book. I actually liked it.

On a side note, you must be the person that Mr. Stover was talking about in another thread that said he sucks. I vowed to hunt down and destroy that person.




































Not really, I just don't understand this. I think you're the only person I've seen on these boards that DOESN'T like Traitor. I gave it 11/10. Lots of people have given it 8-10/10. Did you by any chance LOVE the BFC, PoT, or The Crystal Star?

 

Well, it certainly was different, but to me the perspective change was a good thing and, much needed. We needed to see a book where one single character was truly the focus, we needed an intense character study like Jacen's so we could truly see the effects of this war on the individual, not the generic, group consciousness we get in every other book. This book truly personalized the Solo's plight, and in particular the excruciating pain and life altering decisions that Jacen is forced to endure.

I loved it.

 

well, like Wedge and other have said before so many times, this is either a book you're going to love, or just plainly hate. so we have the two extremes posting here in the Lit forum, although i'm with the "love it" extreme.

 

He didn't use the exact same words, but the first couple chapters opened with an all to wordy end of a hyperspace jump. Thats what I was referring to.

I didn't really like the other books you mentioned, but I liked them all more than this one. Maybe people like it because they like Jacen and I hate it because I wish he had died.

 

since im not new to these threads, i thought i might just post. anyways, Traitor gave alot of insight on what happened and what the Force truly was. at first I couldnt figure out whether Vergere was on the good side or the bad side. Jacen was interesting but I have to say I like him more than ever. AS for Ganner he totally surprised and for such a serious book, it certainly had a lot of humor in it. When you look at DJ and Traitor covers, they exactly symmetrical and and have the same design. they are the only two book slike that and personally i liked the covers. it symbolized the twin thign going on. well i thought i would drop a line adn i would definitely give this book a 10/10. it rocked!

 

is it just me, or does anyone else hear the echo in this thread?

 

Jaya02 is your typical obnoxious attention needy girl. So lacking in self-esteem about herself she has to "attempt" to say witty things so people will pay her some attention. She's so insecure she needs to let a Star Wars forum know that she DOES have an RL boyfriend. OMG you have a boyfriend? And it's not an internet one? Holy Catfish! You are sooooo cool...you are now the coolest and most great person on this board. And I just love the stupid remarks that make no sense and misconstrue everyone's words that you do...just for your enjoyment of getting a rise out of people...bravo, bravo. Keep up the stupidity. I love reading it.

Now....back to Traitor. Everyone said everything I would of said...so don't want to be redundant...but a great book. Loved the philosophical bits.

 

I'm wondering if readers will question everything Jacen does now that he's had a brush with the dark side like they do Luke and Kyp.

Oh right like Jacen hasn't received his fair share of criticism (from fans and fellow Jedi alike) BEFORE Traitor.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

Just a bit of a comment on Quiwan's comment about Veregre..

someone i know on another board said this..and I think it makes an awful lot of sense..

Yoda and Veregre have similar interpretations...When Luke is about to go into the cave, and Luke asks what he will find..Yoda says "Only what you can take with you.

This suggests that (i'm quoting her now) "the darkside manifestations (Vader attacking him) were of Luke's own making"

Luke's fear of Vader (as his father's killer) created the dark visions, not the darkside

in other words the only thing that existed were Luke's fears, not the darkside...

so now in NJO Veregre is describing the Force as not Dark and Light, just the Force...essentially Yoda was telling Luke the same thing V was describing to Jacen..


Luke just wasn't in a stage where he could realize that interpretation...he just saw himself as thier last hope to defeat evil...

(This analysis was brought to you by the traitor discussion on JNet)


As for the whole idea that the hyperspace was nothing, i think that was so you would feel that Jacen was in a desolation, alone and completely devoid of any sense of help of safety that could plague someone who was a POW. He had no hope of rescue ..which was something that Veregre needed to change Jacen's point of view..

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an echo?
perhaps

 

Who hasn't recieved their fare share of criticism in these forums?

 

I really didnt like Jacen until Traitor. He just wouldnt step up. It seems he will the hero I thought Anakin would become when he changed his saber. That little "shift" in his force perception changed alot of things. That seemed finally, fully explained in this book. Its just like different wavelengths. I like that. Like the whole light vs dark issue. Its not adifferent kind of power, its all about choice. Choose & act. I dont think that contradicts the old ideas, really. Its just a new way of looking at it. It all comes down to individual choice anyway. Anakin Skywalker was "seduced" by the dark side. It didnt beat him up & make him join the gang.

I really enjoyed this book. Its between this & I,Jedi for my favorite. Great story. Well told. Very visual & full of philosophy. Good pacing. Incredible fight scenes.

I cant wait to see what kind of reactions Vergere gets from all the different Jedi. I wonder if she'll ever actually fight.

 

I liked Traitor. It wasn't my favorite Star Wars book (that priviledge still goes to Starfighters of Adumar) but it was very good. This was the opposite of Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. SH was fluff, Traitor was meat. It posed some interesting questions as to the nature of the Force.
The only problem I have is that Stover's interpretation is pretty much the opposite of the Force we see in the movies. Star Wars is an epic battle of good vs evil. Duh. Stover takes this and ulitmately says that good and evil are abstract, and all that matters is individual. In the movies, Luke is good and Darth Vader is evil until he is redeemed, at which point he is good. The whole point of Traitor is that by the end of the book, Jacen is neither good nor evil. He is Jacen. I find that this contradicts the fundamentals of what Star Wars is all about.
Maybe that's what Traitor was supposed to do. It by no means makes it a bad book. I'm quite a recent fan of Stover's work. I've read 1 1/2 of his other books. (I took a break from Blade of Tyshalle to read Traitor)
I give it an 8.5/10. Best characterization we've seen in the NJO, if not in the EU. Very philosophical, which is a refreshing change for Star Wars. I'd have to say it's my 2nd favorite Star Wars book.

 

I was actually pretty surprised that Vergere survived. I thought for sure she'd die so Jacen could live.




Happily, the NJO continues to surprise me, even after all of these books.