Oh the irony - Leia choking Jabba

I admit, I must have seen all the OT movies 1000 times each...but I never really thought until today how "ironic" it is that Leia kills Jabba by choking him (with her slave chain). I mean, when you consider who her Father is, and his preferred method of snuffing out unsatisfactory Admirals, etc.

Of course, the irony being how Leia was trying so hard to be the exact opposite of the evil Darth Vader. But "like father like daughter", I guess. And don't forget that little "mini choke" that Luke sprung on those two Gammorrean Guards in Jabba's Palace.

 

Kind of like the Yankees choking this week.

 

I hadn't thought about that before, but you are right, they both (Luke and Leia) do sort of chocke others...

Interesting!

 

I always loved the fact that it was Leia who kills Jabba. Given that she and Han are developing the beginning of a relationship, who better in the series to send Jabba off? You could argue that Chewie might be a good candidate for the job but that would require casual viewers to know more about the history of the characters. In the context of the films, the only one who should kill Jabba would be Leia. She, above everyone else, has the most to lose in the battle. I think that was a very well thought-out moment.

Curious. It just occurred to me that Leia has relatively passive roles in ANH and ESB, apart from shooting at a few stormtroopers, and yet in ROTJ, she's much more active (the ruse with Chewie, freeing Han, Jabba's death, speeder bike chase) in the action scenes and in actively pushing the plot points along.

 

"It just occurred to me that Leia has relatively passive roles in ANH and ESB"

Are we watching the same movies??

 

Very eerie that the Skywalkers have a habit of choking their enemies. Never picked that up.

I disagree with whoever said that Leia was at all passive. (See: DeathStar Escape)

Hand

 

ha! I never caught onto it like that!
interesting!

 

love it when she choked jabba. oh yeah baby

 

I was sad when she killed Jabba because Jabba is one of my favorite characters.

 

Hand:
Yes, very earie indeed. I wonder if it is something like... I don't know, family trait?

Sidius uses Lightning, and so does Dooku, but in the movies, we've never seen Ani/Vader using lightning...

It would make sense for it to be a personal skill developed more than others, but I didn't think Force powers/specialties were inherited...

I supposse it could be argued that the Skywalkers' abilities (Ani and Luke) are more along of telekinesis. I mean, they both use it a lot on the movies. It could be their specialty...

 

Interesting point, inkswamp, re Leia's passivity. I remember writing an essay at college about women in films and arguing the exact same point - in ANH she fails to move the plot along because she gets captured and has to be rescued. In ESB she gets caught up in the action. It's not until ROTJ that she actually does something that moves the story forwards.

 

Yeah I think force specialties are passed on genetically the EU provides Corran Horn who inherits the ability to absorb energy from his father and his grandfather also he can't use telekinesis because of his genes. I don't see how Leia is anymore important in ROTJ than the other movies. If she didn't kill Jabba I think Luke and his Lightsaber would of got the job done.

Hand

 

yet, Leia was VERY VERY near and VERY VERY Close next to Jabba...so...yeah. I think she was perfect to get the job done. Besides..she had the chain as her weapon. *Bats his eye lashes* hehe lol

 

As I was posting my comments about Force skills being genetically inherited, I remembered Corran's case, but I decided to not mention it, since it is not really "canon".

Of course, the whole discussion about "choking" skill is purely speculative, and not really related to something that has explicitly been explain/disproved in any of the films, so therefore EU or movies, it makes no difference.

 

Yeah its speculation at the best nothing either proves it or disproves. I don't know if the EU was alright to bring in but I look at Star Wars as being an Old fashioned History With my favorite part being in the OT.

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But does the force assist her !

 

Leia was passive and didn't move the story along in ANH? I think we should re-examine what she does in the movie.

She gets all the action in the movie rolling. She is the one who puts the plans in R2 along with the message for Obi-Wan Kenobi. Without that action from Leia, R2 and Threepio would have been captured by the Imperials, Luke and Obi-Wan might never have left Tatooine, and they certainly wouldn't have met Han and Chewie. Leia wouldn't have been rescued and the Death Star would be steadfastly enforcing the Empire's tyranny.

In this light, Leia is by no means passive. She is the initiator of the entire story in ANH!

Also, in the detention block shootout, our heroes are pretty well pinned down until she gets them into the garbage compacter to escape. Granted, that almost got them all smashed into pulp, but it kept them from being captured by the Imperials and ultimately enabled them to escape the Death Star.

 

Luke doesn't really choke the guards in Jabba's Palace. He merely renders them unconscious. And Leia just seized the oppurtunity (sp?) on Jabba.

There's something else though. A lot of people seem to lose there limbs. And the Skywalkers have two hands in the lead in that competition!

 

Leia didn't have a passive role in ESB, especially at the end when she took the role as the leader of the group.

Ciao!

 

Luke doesn't really choke the guards in Jabba's Palace. He merely renders them unconscious. And Leia just seized the oppurtunity (sp?) on Jabba.

choke Pronunciation Key (chk)
v. choked, chok·ing, chokes
v. tr.

1. To interfere with the respiration of by compression or obstruction of the larynx or trachea.

In no way does that suggest that one has to kill an individual through choking for it to actually be a choke, merely engage in the activity of restricting another's air intake. Luke certainly choked the guards at Jabba's palace. It's described in full detail in the novelization.

But choking in a family is always a good thing. Y'know all that pent up angst and anger Leia has with Anakin? Just have 'em get together over a picnic and have them connect with choking techniques. Really talk about a way to bring a family together.

Anakin: So when you killed Jabba, did you go for the higher hand grip, or the lower? Clutching the lower part of the larynx increases pressure and more efficiently cuts off the oxygen passageways.
Leia: ...I dunno. A good part of Jabba was all neck. I just wound it about and pulled tight.
Luke: I used your method, Father.
Anakin: That's my boy.

 

Jabbo didn't die.
He escaped from the death Star remember

 

I love that comment GL makes on the DVD about the Ewok-bashing fans prefering Slave Girls being touched by a slug (or something along these lines).

Makes those fans appear like cynical perverts.

 

Leia didn't have a passive role in ESB, especially at the end when she took the role as the leader of the group.

Actually it's Lando who guides the party through the complex, Leia's important because Chewie would've killed Lando had she not stopped him. But it's again Lando who has to literally carry her off to the ship and then tell her to get in.

She's also important because she's the one that senses Luke.

She's very important throughout ANH & ESB in a plotwise matter, but not in a action or scriptwise way.