Okay, call me ignorant, but who is Kyle Katarn?

Is Moff Rebus actually an Imperial Moff, or is his first name Moff? I don't think its ever said in the in-game intro. He doesn't dress like the average Moff, but then again neither did the IG-88-type droid Grand Moff.

Supposedly he was a great weapons designer, but DF is the only source he's referenced in, IIRC. We need some obscure Rebus mentions in the Clone Wars; bring on the mofference!

 

they should write some full blown novels on em, hes a cool character though i never get to see him because *cringes expecting to have my head lopped off* i hate FPS games.

and yes, that included Halo

 

You forgot the time he gave up his Jedi Powers.

What they posted looks to be the Unoffical Encyclopedia entry on Kyle, which doesn't included anything from Jedi Outcast from what I've seen. Of course, the OS entry doesn't include it either.

 

::curses the 3rd level of Dark Forces::

*joins in the cursing*

 

curses the 3rd level of Dark Forces

*uses laimlame to prevent cursing.*

 

<<No.>>

Heh, and i used to think you were a long winded person.


I remember reading something where Aayla Secura and Kyle Katarn were considered Shadow Jedi as in they can manipulate both dark side powers and light side powers.

 

i thought the term was Grey Jedi


Which makes me wonder, did Jaden and Rosh live through the Vong war?

I always assumed that at least one of them died because the last entry about Katarn in the NEGTC is that he has seen many of his students die. I think Rosh would snuff it first, but thats just my guess.

 

Well he would have trained many students in combat at the academy. Still you'd assume that he taught them more then fighting with lightsabers. You know how to pack enough weapons for a small army while making it look like you are carrying nothing at all, things like that.

 

Youd think Jaden would have been mentioned more, eh? He was a hell of a forcie to have crafted a lightsaber before training...

 

Well if he fell to the dark side and Katarn killed him 2 of his students would've died. I hope there's another Jedi Knight game. But I wanna be Kyle again! Well actually I've only been him in the Jedi Outcast demo.

 

::curses the 3rd level of Dark Forces::

IMHO, the third level of Dark Forces was one of the easiest. It was the Imperial Detention Facility that made me want to throw my computer out of the window.

 

The Coruscant level is awesome though

 

I don't recall hearing that Kyle was a reincarnation of anybody?

 

I love every single level of Dark Forces.

 

If someone could mod Jedi Knight to make the Dark Forces single player, then I'd really be happy

 

The Coruscant and Executor missions are my absolute favorites. Target rich enviroment doesn't begin to cover it.

*pets his Darktrooper assault cannon*

 

If someone could mod Jedi Knight to make the Dark Forces single player, then I'd really be happy


Okay, a bit off-topic but...

Dark Forces Mod for Jedi Academy

 

Well, close enough

Thanks.

 

That ForceMod3 is wicked...ESPECIALLY for Mandalorian fans.

 

know what i think would give the Kyle fanatics a good time? a new Jedi Knight game (or Dark Forces) about Kyle in the Vong war

 

Nah. What's really good and one of the main draws of the Dark Forces and Jedi Knight games is that its you against Imperials(Stormtroopers) or other Jedi characters. Star Wars video games are far more likely to attract casual fans so you have to include things that will draw those that have mainly seen the films (new and old) or played other Star Wars games(all of which are based on the films or mostly have elements from the films with new stories).

Having a Vong war based game wouldn't work I feel. Cause it would be based off of the novels, would be to different from what game fans are used to or are expecting which would turn people off of it. Also and I might be remembering wrong, aren't the Vong constantly winning until much later on in the series, till after Traitor or around there. I doubt players want to play a game where they might be betting a level, the over story still has them lossing. People play games to enjoy themselves, not to be depressed. They expect their actions to mean something. Betting a level and seeing the story advance in your favor is what is expected really, not finishing a level, having it look like you did a great job, only to see your character leaving with the area being destoryed or fall to the enemy anyway. It makes it seem like the players time was wasted, which is a big no no. The NJO might have wanted to add realism to Star Wars, which in my opinion really made the NJO to be pure crap and a horrible series, people play games to have fun. They want a challenge yeah but enjoyment and fun is the main element. So I think a Vong based game wouldn't work at all.

I don't see why some people keep pushing for a Vong based game. I don't even think its the people that actually play the Star Wars games that seem to push for one a lot. I think its just those that are fans of the NJO that might want to see a game to just so that they have something that says the NJO was a good series or that it and the Vong were accepted by the Star Wars fanbase in general. Now I could be wrong about this but I doubt we'll ever see a Vong based game, maybe a mod but never one up for comercial retail.

Its all about what fans and the general gaming community will buy. If people want to fight against alien monsters like the Vong, they'll play DOOM or Half-Life or something like that. What makes the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games interesting is that it makes the player feel like they are in the Star Wars films or universe. The Vong and NJO are so far removed from what the films are and the feeling they give off that they just wouldn't work or click in a game I feel.

 

Considering Jedi Outcast is seemingly as heavy with the nonImperials as it is with the Imperials, something that I really don't see with Dark Forces or Jedi Knight, A Vong War Dark Forces/Jedi Knight game could work. Of course I make the distinction between the two, even though their in the same SW game franchise, because after a while Kyle goes from being more of a mercenary character to more of a Jedi character for the games. And of course Jedi Academy you have to be more of the latter and less of the former. If the game were to lean more towards the Dark Forces side of things, then I think it would be time to introduce a new character just as Dark Forces itself introduced us to Kyle. If it were to lean more towards the Jedi Knight side of things, then I'd like to see Kyle as the main character.

The Knights of the Old Republic games did well without using villians from the movies. I'm fairly sure that it was more than the die hard SW fan that got into those games, it was also the casual fans. If fans can get into a game without Imperials or battle droids as the main villians to fight, then I wouldn't doubt that they could get into a game with the Vong as the enemy.

 

I don't see why some people keep pushing for a Vong based game. I don't even think its the people that actually play the Star Wars games that seem to push for one a lot.

I push for a NJO video game a lot, more specifically I push for the next step in the Dark Forces Series to be in NJO and I play a lot of Star Wars video games, especially the Dark Forces Jedi Knight Series. Now I see two main reasons why the Jedi Knight Series needs to go into the NJO

1. Kyle appears in TUF where he is finally made into a Jedi Master, now there are what five years of Vong war that need to be covered, but more importantly those five years are Kyle's rise to Jedi Master. These can, at this point, only be chronicled in game format because while i would love for a book or comic telling of Kyle adventures during the NJO most people wont really care. This leaves the only place left to tell this important part of Kyle life.

2. I actually think it would save the Dark Forces series, lots of people where disappointed in Jedi Academy, you didn't play as Kyle Katarn the story was weak and generally it just felt like an expansion pack they made you pay 60 bucks for. Now think, if you bring back Kyle as a playable character, give the player a Lightsaber and some force powers to work with at the beginning and by the end have them being a Jedi Master taking on Hordes and hordes of Vong, well there going to get a kick and a half out of it I think.

Besides there are lots of little things you can do to still have him fight against non-Vong enemies. As well as for a story, well there can be an underlying story about Kyle and him trying to stop the vong from doing something, figuring out there plan and what not, then after every few missions of that jump into a Larger battle like Ithor?actually that might be a good one to start with. You however get the idea, even though the New Republic is losing doesn?t mean that Kyle has to the whole time. It would also open the door up for some great Cameo appearances by some of the second string EU characters.

also with the EP3 game being developed you've got a great engine there i don't see why we coulnd't have this game by mid 2006

 

That would be a jump of 13 years. And I don't care much for the NJO. I'd like to see what he's up to during the Black Fleet crisis or between Union and JJK.

 

Yeah, I've heard many people make convincing arguments for having NJO games, but they always forget one crucial point: Not that many people like the NJO.

Now, I think we've got a rather skewed view of the NJO here at TheForce.net, and an even more skewed view of Star Wars in general. Most fans, casual fans, don't really know or care about the books.

Dark Forces 1 and 2 succeeded because they both had solid, solid gameplay ... in the Star Wars universe. Even Jedi Knight's success was about being a Jedi Knight-- wish fulfillment-- not so much about being Kyle Katarn.

It helped that Kyle was a brash mercenary with Force powers, because people dug the cool factor of that... but it didn't make or break the games.

If an NJO title were to succeed, it would be on the merits of fresh, new gameplay or tried-and-true gameplay that was AAA in execution.