Amph On Earth, Everyone Can Hear You Scream: The Prometheus / Alien Discussion Thread (Romulus, Earth)

Nah, probably not. I’m not sure the fan base is even there to support it. Not enough of the fans of the original two were into the latest films at all. Covenant especially bombed with fans. I think this franchise has seen its final days. Nothing that came after Aliens ever really worked well enough. There are some people that like some of the post Aliens films but not enough to keep the franchise going. Like I said, I only watch Prometheus and then the first two films. It ends there and feels complete to me.

Ive heard there are comics and stuff to go further into that world if one wishes to. That’s probably the way to go. Forget a big feature film though.

 

Well there's a Disney+ series in the works that they've announced.

 

Oh? A TV series might work though. Thats a different amimal, IMO. Ill go search it out but Im curious as to the timeline & plot ideas.

 

I thought the TV show was going to be Hulu or FX or FX on Hulu

 

FX. There's little officially known about it. The only statements seem to be:
‘Expect a scary thrill ride set not too far in the future here on Earth’ and "…it’s the first Alien story set on Earth,’and by blending both the timeless horror of the first Alien film with the non-stop action of the second, it’s going to be a scary thrill ride that will blow people back in their seats."

 

The first Alien story set on Earth...

Except for the Alien vs. Predator movies.

 

They aren't being taken as canon by the developers.

Considering that the background of the "Weyland Corporation" is completely different in Prometheus, that can't be surprising.

 

The series is indeed part of the "FX on Hulu" movement. No idea how that is going to work in countries that don't have Hulu, though. Disney+ Star, maybe?

All we know so far about it is the synopsis that @blackmyron posted, that Noah Hawley (FX's Fargo, Legion) is the showrunner, and that Ridley Scott is to produce, though there have been some conflicting reports about the actual level of Ridley Scott's involvement and that them announcing him as the producer at that Disney investor event may have been a bit premature, meaning that he might be less involved here than I would personally like.

The "Earth"/"not too far in the future" comments do have me a bit concerned, but I do like what I've seen of Fargo so I'm curious to see what Hawley does here; I just really hope to see some of Ridley's prequel elements folded in, as I am a huge fan of Covenant (and I find a lot to appreciate about Prometheus, despite the movie itself being pretty wonky).

"Alien Day" is April 26th (4/26, as in LV-426), so hopefully we get some further details about the show then; it is weird to me that we haven't heard a single word about it since the day it was announced; not even a brief comment from Hawley or Scott or anyone at FX/Hulu as an aside during an interview...

 

Yeah, it was announced in December, and then... nothing.

But honestly, I'm more excited about the Colonial Marines supplement for the Alien RPG... which was also announced in December, and we've also not heard anything about since.

 

I'm cool with the Alien franchise continuing on for however long, but I hope that after Scott (hopefully) gets the chance to finish his prequel story, it doesn't stick with one creator for very long. One of my favorite things about the franchise is that each and every time a new installment is made, the current filmmaker basically reinvents the playing field to make the movie that they want to make, explicit continuity or intentions of the previous film be damned; it makes the Alien franchise a very filmmaker-friendly series in a way that most big studio franchises are not. 1970s Ridley Scott is not James Cameron is not David Fincher is not Jean-Pierre Jeunet is not 2010s Ridley Scott, and that is reflected in each of their films, which is very cool to me.

I'm also very much in the boat of not wanting to see Earth as a main setting in the Alien franchise, and certainly not wanting to see the Aliens reach Earth; I'd be ok if, say, Engineer ruins were discovered here which then sent the characters off to search for a new location out in space (a la Prometheus, in a sense), but the way the show is being described right now does have me antsy, despite digging Hawley's Fargo. I really want more details so I can put a finger on what, exactly, we are in for here...

 

looks like Alien #5 will be showing off what alpha

can do

seems like she can switch between humanoid and Queen


ALIEN #5
PHILLIP KENNEDY JOHNSON (W) • SALVADOR LARROCA (A)
Cover by INHYUK LEE
Variant Cover by MICO SUAYAN
Variant Cover by VALERIO GIANGIORDANO
Variant Cover by Salvador Larroca
ENTER THE ALPHA!
• The creature that almost killed Cruz is back to finish the job.
• Everything Cruz has dedicated his life to hangs in the balance.
• And with his son's life on the line, terrible decisions must be made.
32 PGS./Parental Advisory …$3.99


ALIENS: AFTERMATH #1

BENJAMIN PERCY (W), DAVE WACHTER (A)

COVER BY PHIL NOTO

VARIANT COVER BY RON LIM

VARIANT COVER BY DAVE WACHTER

* FOR ALIENS' 35TH ANNIVERSARY, A RETURN TO HADLEY'S HOPE!

* It's been 35 years since the tragedy of the Hadley's Hope colony, but what happened to that ill-fated venture has been shrouded in mystery. A renegade crew of investigative journalists are heading towards the moon that Weyland-Yutani has wiped from all records, and they'll bring back the truth even if it kills them·and what remains in that bombed out site will try to do just that. Benjamin Percy and Dave Wachter imagine a terrifying possible future for LV-426 in this celebration of the 35th Anniversary of one of the most influential science fiction films of all time!

40 pages, $4.99.

On-sale 7/14

 

I like that in the Weyland-Yutani Report, the one prisoner who escaped in Aliens 3 wrote a lurid, sensationalistic book about his experiences called Space Beast.

 

That actually plays into Alex White's Alien: Into Charybdis a bit in a fun way.

As far as Alien EU stuff goes, I've been reading the Marvel comic and I will continue to read the upcoming issues but it isn't very good so far. I hate the art (I use the term "art" very loosely, given all of the tracing) and the story is ok but nothing all that special to be honest. I wish it would allow itself to get a bit weirder.

The only current EU stuff I actually have been fully into are the two Alex White novels, Scott Sigler's Aliens: Phalanx, and the video game Alien: Isolation. Granted, canon is really neither here nor there for me.

My favorite comics of the Dark Horse era are probably Salvation, Sacrifice, Inhuman Condition, and Dead Orbit. I need to read Labyrinth, which is supposed to be great, though I haven't yet.

 

I like the idea of canon in that it tries to tell a consistent story and have a 'shared' universe. If I'm reading a story set in a particular universe, I'd prefer not to have the wheel reinvented every time.
In any case, the Alien RPG does a great job of including references to much of the novels and comics as well as Alien:Isolation, but even the (not-very-good) prior Alien RPG and the alternate scripts to some of the movies. That's the way to do it...

 

Canon as a loose framework/sense of structure, sure, but I also don't get too stressed out if filmmakers aren't totally beholden to it. If Ridley was concerned with everything lining up 1:1 with Alien, for example, then we wouldn't have gotten any of the interesting David revelations in Alien: Covenant; none of that stuff lines up in a perfectly literal sense with what is presented in the original film, but that's ok because what it does do is thematically enhances the older films and makes for an interesting story in its own right.

 

I'm not exactly sure that there would be anything back at Hadley's Hope/LV-426 to find, that explosion was yuggge. Or, y'know, it wasn't big enough to grab the Engineer's ship. So I guess there's that.

As for Howley, Fargo is nice and weird, Legion is even weirder, and even in both shows he had an element of foreboding monster menace. And dance numbers. So maybe both will happen here. As for Aliens on Earth, the main thing about Alien vs. Predator: Requeim that sometimes works is the bizarre moments of seeing Aliens crawling around a normal rural environment. But it's Alien-verse, I can't see it happening all like present day / only 10 years ahead.

Anyway, I would be totally okay if Marvel just said eff it and gave us a 616 vs. Aliens crossover. Deadpool and Punisher would be my favourites. I mean, they're obviously building towards an Alien vs. Predator since they have a Predator book out in a few months and Marvel loves their crossovers. Symbiotes vs. Aliens may be a bit redundant but I won't complain too much.

 

For what it's worth, it was mentioned in that big Disney Investor thing, where they announced a dozen Star Wars series.
Outside of the USA, it'll be on Disney+ Star. I think that was the pitch... they have the bloodthirsty stuff on Star.


So I guess what what you are saying it will be "Classic" Aliens. Marines versus Big Black Bugs. Not so much "Prometheus", where Ridley is playing with the nature of Humanity and Gods and freaky Android philosophy and DNA twisting life... all the wild stuff going on in Ridley's head now as we saw in Raised By Wolves.

Being on Earth could make it more mundane. Dunno. I'll wait and see.

 

Yep, good stuff here. If Ridley does one more film that ties In with Prometheus then I’m there! I’m more "done" with anything that happens after Aliens. If they continue giving us solid "prequel" content then I’ll bite.

 

The concerning part is the 'not too far in the future here on Earth'. While I suppose they could be talking 100 years or so in the future with a loose interpretation, it implies more of a 'decade or so' which doesn't make much sense with reference to Prometheus.

 

This is very unfortunate to hear. Rinzler's work is always top notch.

If anyone hasn't seen it, though, Charles de Lauzirika's Wreckage and Rage: The Making of Alien 3 is a phenomenal documentary on the mess of a production that was Alien 3. Watching it makes for an excellent companion piece to the Alien 3 Assembly Cut. It is such a miracle that Alien 3 wound up as good as it did, considering everything that went on through that production; I honestly like it just as much as I do Cameron's Aliens.

 

That and the discrepancies of having Weyland look like Bishop in AVP film (canonicslly its the other way I understand, retcon). Now its Guy Pearce.

 

That and the fact that in the prequel films, David created the Alien in the ten years between Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, and thus they couldn't have been on Earth for thousands of years.