Amph One Thread To Rule Them All: The Rings of Power, The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings & Middle-earth films

@Adam of Nuchtern


I now am picturing Treebeard saying “the filth of Saruman is washing away,” in Arnold’s voice.

 

What truly sad about father and son relationship in return of the king is lord denathor truly wished boromir had lived and Faramir had died.

I mean we all sometimes say evil things toward are family that we don’t mean to at heart, make up for it but denethor is a sadistic narcissist leader that truly meant that about faramir.

 

Denethor does have a satisfying end:

 

Ugh

 

Fire sure seems to theme:

Gandalf’s Fireworks
Flame of Udin to fight Belrog
Denethor burns on Pyre
The One Ring is destroyed in a mountain of fire.

 

Denethor made the desperate decision to use the Palantir, (and indeed Gandalf remarked that there was a time when he would have been wise enough not to.) but it was already under the influence of Sauron, so he only was able to see what Sauron allowed him to see. By the time we meet him he’s been throughly convinced of the hopelessness of his cause and has fallen completely into despair. Who knows what he would have been like had he not foolishly tried to match wills with the Dark Lord.

 

He already resented Gandalf and Aragorn, as his own father treated Aragorn with great respect, and he deduced his identity.
He believed in Gondor, but believed that the monarchy should stay gone. That unfortunately set him against people that should have been his staunchest allies.
It should be noted that Sauron was unable to overcome his will, but drove him to despair by controlling what images he saw.

 

Unfinished Tales has it that, regardless of Gandalf's speculations, Denethor started using the Palantir almost from the very beginning of his career as Steward, and, until Sauron started to use it as a tool to manipulate him, it was of great use.

 

I want Saruman in new LOTR films to say “I am Saruman of Many Colors!”

 

I just hope the new movies and future tv shows will be a faithful adaptation want J R R tolkien would of wanted.


Yet even if they are not, the franchise doesn’t mean it’s doomed because it could happen both ways of doom faithful or not.

 

He would have loved all the video games, though.

 

He was fine with movies, as long as it wasn't Disney

 

I am afraid we will get less faithfulness. Each iteration of my favorite tales gets more and more lukewarm, tell now they bear only the names and shells of lore.

 

Tolkien himself was pretty ok with adaptations (as long as it wasn't Disney, he despised what Walt did). It was his son Christopher who was harsher about adaptations on the level of religious fanaticism. But JRR himself was tinkering with his own work as much or more than George Lucas, and liked the idea of others playing with and getting inspired by his work even if it wasn't accurate, since he was still the author of the actual books and nobody could undo what he wrote. This attitude was even a theme in his works, the possessive creator attitude (ex: Feanor, Melkor) vs the giving/sharing creator attitude.

 

“You mean they made Shelob a sexy elf woman? Pure genius! My God why didn’t I think of that?! I’m such a hack!” Tolkien cried as he tossed the manuscripts for yet another version of The Silmarillion into the flames, consumed with a mad passion to eradicate his own artwork unseen since Gogol destroyed the second part of Dead Souls. They say he began tossing more unpublished material into the fire and shouting “IT IS NECESSARY TO DIE IN ORDER TO BECOME RESURRECTED!” as he wept while he beheld the cutscene where the generic grumpy dude from the Shadows of series has yet another argument with Celebrimbor about using the double secret second version of the one ring they forged.

We narrowly dodged a bullet in our timeline.

 

Best (read: dumbest) part is that it’s implied Sauron and Shelob were making the balrog with two backs so to speak.

 

I love this!

You can be possessive or sharing.

Edit: The Current War about Eddison (Benedict Cumberbatch) vs Westinghouse (Michael Shanon) highlights this about creators (see The Director’s Cut).

 

Sometimes I feel like every single narrative portion of those games was some sort of bet to see how dumb they could make them while still being praised for excellent gameplay.

Turns out the answer was really ****ing dumb.

 

Are both shadows of Mordor and shadows of war canon like all the 6 of the movies and television show are too?

 

We've already got enough canons for a battery.

 

Our best records indicate that the video games were largely regarded as apocrypha by no later than the 380s. Ex post facto records purported to describe the findings of the Council of Rome do not list them, and as this listing was upheld by subsequent generations of scholars, notably including the Council of Trent, I see no reason this would have changed. Worship incorporating the video games would therefore be seen as, at minimum, largely unprecedented, if not suis generis.