Order 66 and Mark of the Beast 666: What is George Trying to Say?

All of them. The Authorized/standard/King James version.

At least, if my counts have been correct (and if I'm recalling them correctly). In any case, I'm fairly confident that it would 66 in a standard Bible.

The exceptions (that I know of) would be:

"Mormon" bibles
"Catholic" bibles

But I'm fairly sure there are 66 books in a "normal" one.

So, not 'all of them'. Many many bibles have more or less than 66 books.

 

It was most certainly a reference to Mario Lemieux, teh greatest hockey player of all time=teh chosen one! Plus they're both Canadian

 

Yes, I'm sorry Jovieve, not "all of them" literally. I didn't mean to offend any one of those other denominations.

However, the salient point is that the most commonly used Bible (in terms of # of denominations) and "the Bible" as the common man on the street would understand it, is the one with 66 books. The usage of the 66 book Bible is in the vast majority, relative to, say, the Mormon's holy texts.

Additionally, the 66 books of the KJV Bible are, insofar as I know, the only ones whose cannonocity are more or less uniformly agreed upon by all Christian denominations. Some denominations (the aforementioned) have said that other books are divinely inspired as well, but I don't know of any that deny the authority of the base 66.

 

For the record, 666 is not the Mark of the Beast. The Mark is just that, a mark. 666 is 'the number of man' and Paul's Revelation indicates that the wise will be able to recognize the Beast (aka Antichrist) because the "number of his name is six hundred sixty-six." This kind of numerology had a lot more signifigance to the Jews of that time, and I personally don't understand the signifigance of it beyond a literal reading. I sincerely doubt that Lucas is implying much more than calling upon the general fear of '666' and public recognition of evil. It's just a number, but it does happen to be a number that most people will immediately associate with something evil so it adds to the chill of the moment in the screenplay.

 

There are 66 books in the Bible.

As I glanced through this I was wondering when / if someone would bring this up. Thanks Vrolokus. Revelation, or the end times for Christians who read the 66-book bible, is the last book. Maybe that is what this is supposed to represent? From a Jedi's point of view, this would seem like the end times for them.

Although as you can see in this thread, adding an extra 6 to make it seem like the mark of the beast is what people immedietly thought of, so perhaps that was his intention. I wouldn't put it past GL to see people interpreting it both ways, so maybe both are acceptable.

And for the record, I have to thank my mom for the revelation-order 66 connection, she was talking about that after we saw the midnight showing. Shes a very strong Christian ^_^

 

posted by WLDB
Lucas is Jewish so I dont think 666 means anything to him.

I don't think he is Jewish. But regardless of his faith(if he has one), it doesn't have to mean anything to him personally. And if it doesn't mean anything to him that might actually mean that he'd be even more likely to use it in the film(because in that case it would just be mythology to him).

A lot of people have heard of 666 and recognize it as a satanic symbol(even if they don't believe in it). That includes people who aren't Christians and are not aware of it's biblical origin(i.e. they've just heard about it from other people).

And Palpatine represents the Devil(in general, not in a specific way). Ian McDiarmid even mentioned this aspect of the character in a recent interview.

 

I found the number a bit tongue in cheek, it means nothing, except possibly the route 66 American Graffiti, makes the most (non) sense.

 

oh yeah I forgot, Lucas is Jewish, so the number means nothing to him, and I wont be getting my 10 bucks back!\

 

Am I sensing some mad holy priests? Not normal-mad?

 

We can all say that Palpatine is evil, the number 666 is recognized as evil (although the proper number is 616) and we can all say that Order 66 was just a number that he found appropriate. No greater signifigance is involved. George Lucas does not worship Satan and the Jedi could care less that there are 66 books in the King James Bible.

 

I think they should have called it Order 1138, maybe kinda a corny but a good place to have put it.

 

Seems to me ROTS had alot of one world govt. themes in it.

 

I believe the historical connection to the Mark of the Beast actually is "the number of a man" - the numerical representation of the Roman Emperor Nero (We're talking about 64 AD, if memory serves). The somewhat mentally unstable fellow thought that the fledgeling Christian movement (30 years old!) was a threat to him and had anyone who looked like, sounded like or claimed to be a Christian suffer a horrible death, including the Apostle Peter. Reason enough to assume he's the Antichrist, and scary especially since Revelation stated that the Antichrist wouls return from thye grave.

Oh, and Lucas isn't Jewish. He's been squirrely in interviews regarding his religion, but his comments in TIME correspondences suggest he most clearly identifies with Buddhism, which also would explain the connection of "the Force".

 

Would "Order 24" mean that Ken Griffey Junior finally gets his lightsaber?







EDIT: Yeah, I know he wears number 30 now. (But) For ten years I watched him run around with two-four on his back in Seattle. If anybody has the perfect "Jedi Swing" its him.

 

The way I see it, the symbolism behind order 66 was that George Lucus wants people who over analyze movies to be shot be clones, clearly

 

Uh.... you guys....let's not do this religion stuff...I can be really argumentative about this stuff and it's just not smart to debate it, there's bound to be a cannon war....it's unaviodable...there's so much contraversy about religion.....you have been warned...

 

Yeah, you stole my thunder and you are right. 666 is basically meant for identification of the beast in the bible. Kind of fitting though because this is Sids coming out party and I definitely think it identified him.

 

The "BEAST" was the term early Christians used for the most brutal,
sadistic and monstrous of Roman Emperor's, Nero. (and that's saying
something because they were all pretty much monsters.)

It was Nero who had living Christians torched and hung on poles,
and their burning bodies were used to light his night parties.
That was even too much for the paganistic Romans and it led to
his downfall.

666 was the number of Nero's palace address.
Hence the phrase, mark of the beast. That's all it was.

Seems appropriate it would be used by Palpatine,
certainly a "beast" in his own right.

 

I always thought most legitimate historians agreed that Nero never actually did any of that, and that there was a slight *cough* *cough* bias, on the part of the people telling that version of history

 

I always thought most legitimate historians agreed that Nero never actually did any of that, and that there was a slight *cough* *cough* bias, on the part of the people telling that version of history

Well since the "cough, cough" legitimate historians weren't there at the time,
I guess we'll never know for sure, will we?

By the way, I didn't get that information from a "biased" Christian source.
I saw it on the History Channel.

And by the way, Lucas is NOT Jewish...good grief.

 

Actually they just found out that the actual mark of the beast may be 616.

That's super. But did Lucas know that while writing RotS? It doesn't matter what anybody else knows about anything.
"Scientists have proven cats can't bark!" But if the writer of a movie doesn't know that, then his cats could very well bark. These things aren't factually-proven documentaries.

 

oh yeah, no contradiction there

 

Since when can't cats bark?

J\K... In all actuality I can appreciate some good ol' sarcasm since I tend to lay it on pretty thick myself.

 

Don't you guys think we may be overthinking it in this respect? Maybe he just picked a number that sounded legit.

 

He taps into too much other religious symbolism for it to be "chance" IMO. Especially considering what 666 signifies.