Senate It's Joever: The 2024 US Presidential Election Thread

This upcoming week would make for a great launching point to get the message out that they really truly are for saving democracy. Out with the old, in with the new, four solid months to get this done, right at the start of the month with the 4th of July being the launching point for it, all eyes on them. Only an out of touch geriatric political class wouldn't seize on this moment.

 

Joe Biden?

 

Hey, Nikki Haley is deeply concerned, and thinks Joe Biden should drop out and be replaced, otherwise the Democrats are in deep trouble!

 

Honestly, the primary thing that convinces me Biden staying in the race is the best thing to defeat Trump is that Glitterstimm is so loudly calling for him to step down...

 

but is the goal to defeat Trump or not? Biden's feelings shouldn't matter here, what Nikki Haley thinks is also irrelevant, nobody cares what she thinks, she's an idiot

if someone else has a better chance, why not go with someone else, anyone should be able to defeat Trump, that's the goal right, to defeat Trump, what difference does it make who it is

it's not a conspiracy theory to discuss this possibility that maybe someone else should take Biden's place, even Kamala Harris or anyone else, I like the Whitmer suggestion from a couple pages back

this is completely different from Glitterstimm suggesting that this has secretly been the plan all along

 

The "Biden's feelings" was clearly a joke answer.
Nikki Haley is symptomatic of the GOP response in general - in fact, they've been pushing this for quite some time. Whether or not you think that the chances to beat Trump increase if Biden steps down and [TBD] replaces him, the Republicans seem to think that will increase their chances.

 

Biden should clearly step down; it was obvious back in 2019 that he was in severe decline and, like all old people, he has only gotten worse. The implication of his campaign in 2020 was that he would serve out his first term and move aside for someone younger. It's debatable why he did not-- his own ego, his staffers' anxiety about their job security, the younger people he had in mind like Harris and Buttigieg not measuring up, or simply that running for a second term is the Normal Thing to Do. But in the still-unlikely scenario that he does abandon his campaign (his wife seems to be completely against it), I have absolutely no faith in the Democrats to pick a replacement up to the enormous task of building in four months the support necessary to win. (I also have no faith they'll pick someone demonstrably better on important issues.) Four months is plenty of time in most other countries; our creaky political apparatus just isn't very good at handling anything that has no precedent in the past ~50 years.

 

Lol, as the saying goes, politics is personal

But I am honored to be your advisor

 

If this is the Dems plan all along than that is some ****y planning.

 

I mean, we might get this!



(NARRATOR: "We did not get this...")

 

yes I understand it would be unprecedented to switch out candidates this late in the game, I'm well aware it hasn't happened in my life

at the same time, if Biden and the Democrat party really believe that defeating Trump is the most important thing, that the soul of the country is at stake, well then why not do something different, why not do something unprecedented

this is kind of why Harris was picked as VP in the first place, to be available if Biden can't continue the job

I understand this is all rather unlikely, but I don't see why it shouldn't at least be part of the discussion

 

I suspect that, like with Feinstein, there was a circle of presidential advisors that felt that they would effectively be the president collectively. They were assisted by the natural momentum of an incumbent in a primary, that the insiders wanting Biden to step down put up the most tepid response possible when they should've been demanding this, and the most visible opponent in his primary was an obvious propped-up choice by the Republicans that relied on his family name and no one knowing what his actual political beliefs were.
In any case, the Republicans successfully turning the election into a referendum on the fitness of Biden as president is a winning move. Trump has barely been mentioned by the news, which can only help him (although I can't see him staying out of the spotlight too long).

 

If it were another kind of scandal, I would believe a comeback is possible.

But this is not something of that sort. It will just keep getting worse.

If he doesn't drop out, what would even be the strategy moving forward, reducing his interactions with the public as much as possible to hide the obvious?

 

My guess would be to put VP Harris out as much as possible. And hope that Trump feels victory is certain and starts saying stuff like "Of course I'm going to push for a federal ban on all abortions!"

 

All these theories are predicated on the idea that we have had a couple years of Weekend at Bernie’s. If he’s actually pretty highly functional, he could do more daytime engagements and appearances. The idea that he’s perfect is gone, to the extent it was ever there. More media exposure demonstrating the level of function and dysfunction that exist might be reassuring.

Edit: The atitude towards Harris—especially in these boards—has always deeply confused me. She is not as conservative as Biden or even Buttgieg. The level of sustained vitriol towards her seems disproportionate to either her position or anything she actually does.

 

other than dp4m and that ahsoka fan guy blaming Bernie fans for 2016, no one has mentioned Bernie Sanders as a possible replacement for Biden for these last several pages

my personal preference is of course for a progressive candidate, but setting that aside all I've suggested is people like Harris, Newsom, Whitmer as possible replacements

 

Her career has mostly been in law enforcement targeting ordinary people and her record with that is far from stellar. She also, as VP, tacitly endorses every action by the administration; there aren't even so much as "leaks" that, for example, show how she's pushing her boss on Palestine. She has displayed open cynicism regarding more "progressive" positions that she easily discards. She is an awkward and off-putting public speaker, producing strange phrases and inappropriate laughter (not that it's any worse than Biden). And we have known since her campaign imploded in 2019 and with leaks about how she runs the VP office that she is an absolutely terrible manager, not great when talking about running an unprecedented general election campaign.

 

I personally don't think it matters if someone else replaces Biden at the top of the ticket, Trump will win because they don't have what it takes. Even if Biden recovers and does a better job, Trump is going to win.

 

Swapping out Biden at this point hardly does any more damage that hasn't already been done. The possible unknowns that come from bringing on a new candidate, be it good or bad, are worth the gamble over the certainty of what we get with Biden.

 

yeah, I mean Harris is far from ideal, even as a replacement

but as a replacement, given the concerns about a short time frame until election and name recognition, well I think she passes both of those

that's really the only reason I mention her

 

According to Bill O'Reilly ( yep, you read right) Biden will drop out: internal polling and donors pressure were too much against him.
So let's see if O'Reily really has moles in the WH
PS: name recognition is somewhat curious to me in this date and age. Can people really say they don't recognize all those names ( Newson, Warren, Whitmer) that trended in former twitter like a 100 times right now. And considering it's Trump the oponent how many people really would say " geez, never heard of Kamala Harris gonna vote for Trump".
See Trump is a guy you vote against him not sure how bad would be his oponent to make.

 

We just need to see Stillson kissing babies again, and everything will be alright.

 

I'm sure it's a standing order by Trump's people to not let him hold babies, for a variety of reasons

 

Trump's voters wouldn't care what he did to an infant; Democrat voters are a bit more discerning (although I wish to Christ they raised their expectations).

 

Trump could eat a baby live on tv and they'd cheer him on.