PT Padmé Amidala MEGAthread - Don't look at her that way. It makes her uncomfortable

Also Sebastian Shaw was almost 10 years older than Alec Guinness. How weird would it be to imagine a 34 year old Obi-Wan training a 43 year old Anakin like a cocky, hot shot adolescent.

 

It's just cold blooded murder. That's like Luke killing Anakin in cold blood and telling him that it would be the right thing to do because the latter was a killer. Apparently, Lucas thought that was wrong. When Anakin had killed Palpatine, he did it to save Luke, whose life was in immediate danger.

I cannot believe I'm saying this, but I have to. After reading the above comments, I have no hope of humanity ever evolving. Not really. You say that this is fiction and not fact. But . . . you know what? I think that deep down, humans have no problem with using violence or murder to solve a problem or get rid of evil. Deliberately using evil to destroy another evil only makes that person evil in the end. Thank you George Lucas for not allowing Padme to commit attempted murder.

 

Using violence to defend yourself is not evil.

 

I agree that violence or the threat of violence does not make a character evil. That said, I dont really like the idea of Padme making an attempt to kill Anakin. I can see people using that as a justification for Anakin's lashing at her, and I think the evil of Anakin's attack on Padme is more highlighting of the tragedy, and the "what could have been" nature of the film, then both lovers trying to kill one another.

Padme being right in the face of wrong when it comes to Anakin's redemption and sharing compassion just like her son is more powerful to me than ROTJ revealing Luke is "better" and more "compassionate" than his mother.

 

People are not advocating for Padme to kill Anakin in order to simply defend herself. Some are advocating the idea of her seeking him out to deliberately kill him in cold blood, because he has become a Sith Lord.

 

I totally agree that it would be completely out of character for Padmé to kill Anakin in cold blood instead of self defense. For what reason? Just because he told her what he would like to do? Even in the real world, you can't just convict someone for what he has not even done, let alone kill him. Also, it would be barbaric to kill someone just because he is a Sith. Being a Sith is a sort of belief or even religion, not a crime per se. And to expect Padmé, Anakin's WIFE of all people, to kill her husband is ridiculous.

 

I'm responding to the arguments you have made and the way you have framed things, not what other people have said.

You said: "It's murder. That's all Padme would be doing. Committing murder. Why do people think it's okay to murder someone in cold blood, because of the victim's moral compass? As if that gives someone a right to commit murder"

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"Some are advocating the idea of her seeking him out to deliberately kill him in cold blood, because he has become a Sith Lord."

But this isn't an issue simply about Anakin's "moral compass", or because he "became a Sith Lord" - both things that, if Anakin were to be punished for, could by themselves arguably be considered thought crimes.

This is an issue about the fact that Anakin committed actual acts of violence. He murdered a class of younglings. He murdered the leaders of the Trade Federation and the Separatists. He murdered Mace Windu.

Frame the events accurately and base your arguments on the facts, that's all: Anakin was a mass murderer on the run on the day of which he committed his crimes.

 

The only way I can see the knife scene working in favor of the character is if the Galactic Civil War begins immediately after the Clone Wars. If the Rebel Alliance and Empire are immediately fighting, then Padme's militaristic outlook on Anakin's role as an enemy COULD work.

However, if ROTS plays out exactly the way it does but this time Padme pulls out a knife, it wouldn't. ROTS tries to drag Padme down into hopelessness but she remains resolute in her beliefs, I think having her try to kill Anakin would be the "Padme has no hope left" scene to parallel to Luke's compassion in ROTJ which would make her look morally weak in comparison.

Plus, "Theres good in him. I know there's still..." is more powerful than "Obi-Wan, kill him! Promise me, you will kill him."

 

Padme losing Corde is very similar to Anakin losing his mother. Both feel responsible and that it’s their fault, Padme blames herself for going back to politics and Anakin blames himself for not being strong enough. Padme wants to defy the mandate of the Jedi council to find out who was behind these attacks and Obi Wan shuts her down but Anakin vows to find out who is behind it. Later Anakin defies his mandate to go find his mother and Padme supports him. Padme knows the grief and guilt of the death of close loved ones and friends and I think this deepens her bond to Anakin.

 

Indeed. Padme being deeply hurt plays a lot better. Just wanting things to return to how they were, but distressed that’s extremely unlikely. Someone that depressed wouldn’t be in a murdering frame of mind in my opinion.

 

The only way I could see really see Padme (attempting) to kill Anakin on Mustafar is her fulfilling some kind of promise to him. Even then, I still don’t see her going through with it because she’d never give up on him.

 

I can see the movie, and would prefer this, if we saw her almost in conflict about whether or not she should do it, then trying to talk him down first. I almost want her to have a gun with her and when begins to go off on his own hype, she clutches a blaster behind her back, but persists to try and pull him away from the edge, which goes totally pear shaped when he sees Obi-Wan. Personally, I would've wanted Padme to be felt more in her effect of the whole series, in her giving all her family money she has to, say, Bail Organa and Mon Mothma for their coo before she confronts Anakin, so it's almost like she's apart of the forming of the rebellion.

 

I had also posted the following:

I guess you missed this? I had no problem with Vader killing Palpatine, because Luke's life was in immediate danger. Also, there is a quote from Friedrich Nietzsche:

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."

Seeking out Anakin in order to kill him, simply because he became a killer? Padme becoming judge and executioner? I believe if Padme had done that, she would have simply become another murderer. I'm glad that Lucas did not go that route.

 

Great post- I agree with Padme sticking to her guns so to speak.

BBM. This line is exactly why I wouldn't be sold on Padme attempting to kill Anakin.

 

Love this outfit.

 

I don't. It's gratuitous, objectifying sexualization and one of the low points of the trilogy.

 

For a trilogy with so many low points it’s a affectively a high point. But yeah, George’s attempt at injecting a bit ooh la la is as misplaced as my queen every time I play chess.

 

I acknowledge the objectification of the bare midriff thing-something which would not pass in films today-but mostly what I see there is one BAD@$$ female senator, who can definitely hold her own!

 

Does anyone know who auditioned for Padme back then for TPM - apart from Natalie Portman (and Vinette Robinson apparently)?

 

@Tom Skywalker as I understand from the TPM featurettes, I don't think there was a formal casting for Padmè..George was looking around..and he offered her the role after watching Leon and Beautiful Girls. It's been while since seeing it though so..

Bumping this in honor of Natalie's birthday today.

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200 girls auditioned, but the names have never been disclosed. Seeing those films did help, but I don't know if he had seen them prior to her audition. I assume so.

 

I would've loved to see Rose Byrne play Padme. She plays Dormé obviously in AOTC. She's a much closer resemblance to Carrie Fisher, and she's a fantastic actress. Rose is awesome in everything. She also displayed wonderful sensitivity/vulnerability in her small scene with Natalie Portman. I don't hate Natalie. I'm just not a fan.

 

Natalie was perfect for the role and so was Hayden.

I wonder if anyone will do an edit with young Sebastian Shaw deepfaked onto Hayden. That would be interesting

 

Regarding Padme and her outfits and being one of the 'low points of the trilogy'



don't think those involved would agree.


LOVE Portman's quote at the end of this video:

4:16-4:40