Padme's tears - Woman's Intuition?

This scene is one of those scenes/moments that I file under the LUCAS QUESTIONS.

This along with others are the only questions that Lucas can answer and he never will. That's left up to us to figure out.

 

I suppose that could be the case Jumpman.

But I think it goes further. I dont think George is saying - "It looks like she is crying because of what Anakin is doing", its more like he is saying "She is crying because of what Anakins doing".

I doubt Lucas would leave in such a transition if it created interpretations such as this that deflect from the true meaning he wanted to create. If he wanted it to reflect Padme worrying about Anakin's safety he wouldn't want the idea that it could be her feeling what he's doing to get in the way of that.

 

Isn't the whole point of these movies that "Anakin" never truly, competely died? Both Luke and Padme say they know there is STILL good in him. Would that not be the "Anakin" left in him? The Jedi. I hate to be the evil poster who rains on the parade but in a total symbiotic relationship would not Anakin have to truly die for Padme to physically die. Why would Padme then Physically have to pay the price of death simply because Anakin makes bad and selfish choices. Those who believe this are you saying Padme had no choice in whether she lived or not? Was it all up to Anakin?

 

Again, this is one of those moments where I file it under the LUCAS QUESTIONS.

Technically, we're both right. Because I see your argument, yet I see the other side too. She just could be literally crying because she's fearing for Anakin in that moment when it concerns his well being. But, there could ALSO be another level that tells us more about Padme more than anything else.

If that's the case that Padme feels Anakin's actions and his wrongdoings, why does she run to him and throws herself into his arms? You can say denial but if she truly felt that, she would've been a bit fearful of him when he arrived. And she isn't.

It's not until later in that scene when he talks about "everything will be set right" and he's going to Mustafar that you can visable see that Padme is not on the same wavelength with Anakin at the moment. You can visable see with Natalie's close up that she feels that Anakin's just off.

 

Isn't the whole point of these movies that "Anakin" never truly, competely died? Both Luke and Padme say they know there is STILL good in him. Would that not be the "Anakin" left in him? The Jedi. I hate to be the evil poster who rains on the parade but in a total symbiotic relationship would not Anakin have to truly die for Padme to physically die. Why would Padme then Physically have to pay the price of death simply because Anakin makes bad and selfish choices. Those who believe this are you saying Padme had no choice in whether she lived or not? Was it all up to Anakin?

I agree. Anakin didn't truely die and still existed within Vader. I guess what I meant in the original post was that when Anakin became Darth Vader and betrayed his relationship with Padme, she died. After all, as GL puts it, Anakin/Vader is more interested in power than Padme, his priority has changed. Its that which breaks her heart and kills her.

Did Padme have a choice in dying because of this? About as much choice as we all have when we fall in love. We cant stop it, no matter how hard we try.

 

You can't stop loving nor can you stop death but for a symbiotic relationship to work one must be affected by the others actions. So to say it is TRULY symbiotic then Padme didn't lose the will to live. Your WILL is your coice. So if she chose to lose it because her heart was broken. That means SHE made the choice to give up. Thus messing up the theory her health was affected by Anakins actions.


Also you guys should know better. If there is commentary going on during a SW it is rarely about the ACTUAL plot. I think if you go back it is just Lucas being his Editor self talking about how he likes the editing because the feeling us veiwers are feeling are being able to be potrayed on screen without it really being that way. I think he then says that is more effective then showing the wrongdoings themselves. I could be wrong but I think that is what he is saying.

 

You know I have to say that her tears were of worry. She was worried about Anakin, knowing that there had been a Jedi rebellion, she had no idea why he was there, and coulpd have thought that he was part of the rebellion or if not that he was in danger of dying. This is her husband she is pregnant (and emotional) and the times surrounding her--that being the deathrows of the republic--probably added to her emotional tears. I don't think she had an inkling of Anakin's turn. not until the scene that explains it all between Padme and Master Obi Wan Kenobi on the balcony of her apratment.

 

Your second point is how I took the scene and Lucas' meaning on that particular editing decisions, Circle.

In terms of the symbiotic relationsip between the two, I'm of two minds on it. But, concerning her death, I think she COULDN'T go on instead of losing the will to live. Of course, we hear the medical droids words, but what do they know? For me, she couldn't go on, no wouldn't.

 

?The thing with the kids is necessary to establish how far down the road he?d come (Anakin) to do something that, this brutal and barbaric and it had to be in there but I definitely didn?t want to show it. It was really in the editorial process that the idea of inter-cutting her (Padme) with him when he?s at his very worst with her worrying about him. That juxtaposition works quite well cos? it reflects as much on the slaughter of the children as it does on her concerns about him even though she doesn?t know the children have been slaughtered. There is a strong emotional connection when those sequences are pushed up against each other? - GL DVD Commentary

So I guess you are right Jumpman, but there is a connection between the two due to what Anakin is doing.

 

3PO: the chancellor's office indicates that master anakin returned to the jedi temple

padme: looks at the fire in the temple and starts crying.

i think she simply thought anakin could be hurt,remember than when obi wan spill the beans she didnt know about anakin turning.

 

Thanks, Shaitan. I was too lazy to listen to the commentary to get the answer.

 

When I saw the film for the first time, and this scene came around, I didn't stop to think about it twice oddly enough. To me, it was always about Padme feeling something terrible had happened (and I mean that in regards to Anakin turning).
Perhaps that's just the fanboy inside me who want to have endless discussions on who's Force sensitive and bla bla bla... But I really felt that George tried to convey a strong connection between Padme and Anakin (whether it's through the Force or not). It was kind of hinted at in the "Padmes Ruminations" scene before also.

I felt that way again when Padme confronts Anakin on Mustafar. I really think that Padme knew deep inside that it wasn't going to turn out all right, and that she was in denial. Whether this was an acting choice by Natalie or just a coincidence, I don't know. But I just feel that way.

And then of course we have the deaths of Anakin and Padme.

I really think it's a theory that works very well.

 

I like to think that its because she thinks he in into something.

I think Padme has figured out that something big is going to happen soon. The war is almost over, and Palpy is sitting comfortably in his high chair. We know for sure from the deleted scenes that she does not like this at all, and is in on the Rebel Alliance. She talked to Anakin about his dealings with Palp (either right before or right after her meeting with the senetors deleted scene) and knows that he is standing by him. I think she is a little worried at that point. Also, the whole "you die in childbirth" thing has her freaked out, but so does his responce to it. He has promised her that he will do whatever he can to save her, and I think she sees that it could be a bad thing.

The part with Obi-Wan telling her he went Dark Side I think was just denial. She knew it. She just didn't want to belive what she was thinking all along.

Also, when Anakin comes back from the temple, he has a more michevious look on his face then he does in the pre-66 scenes, I think.

 

I think she is just worried b/c his place of business [for lack of
a better term] is under attack and burning to the ground.
For all she knows Ani could be lying dead in it.
I think we see this is her thought as she runs to him later when he
comes home before leaving for Mustafar and she tells him she saw
the temple burning etc..
Not everything has a deeper meaning

 

Some info on Padme's death from the SW databank


From Padme's Bio


Padmé was devastated by Anakin's transformation. When her enraged husband witnessed Obi-Wan emerging from her starship, he jumped to the worst of conclusions. Anakin saw the most stinging in a long line of betrayals -- now his wife had brought his former mentor to Mustafar to kill him. Anakin raised his hand and caught Padmé in a telekinetic chokehold. Padmé gasped for breath as life began to escape from her.

Anakin released his grip as he faced Obi-Wan, and Padmé collapsed. As Kenobi and Skywalker dueled in the Mustafar collection facility, C-3PO and R2-D2 faithfully carried her inert form aboard her starship. Despite the abbreviated medical suite aboard her ship, or the full medical facility at a refuge on Polis Massa, her life signs continued to dwindle.

Padmé never knew what had become of Anakin. She never saw the damage he suffered from Kenobi's blade or the lava of Mustafar. She still felt there was good within him. With her dying breath, she tried to convince Obi-Wan of this.

Before slipping away, Padmé remained strong enough to give birth. In the strange alien facility of Anakin's nightmares, she gave birth to twins -- Leia and Luke Skywalker. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, and Bail Organa vowed to keep the children safe.





From Anakin's Bio


On that terrible night on Coruscant, Darth Vader became the scourge of the Jedi. He led a column of clone troopers into the heart of the Jedi Temple. They killed all those within. His eyes burning with Sith intensity, it became clear that Anakin was no longer the same hero he once was. He was firmly entrenched in darkness, even bringing his blade to snuff out the bright lives of the Jedi younglings. Skywalker was no more. He could not hear the entreaties of his friends and loved ones to return from the darkness. As Darth Vader, he killed the leadership of the Separatists, bringing an end to the Clone Wars. In his rage, he would bring about the death of his wife, fulfilling the terrifying vision that prompted his turn to forbidden knowledge. When his former mentor tried to stop his spree of destruction, Vader suffered grievous injuries in the lightsaber duel on Mustafar that followed.

 

I am quite sure she was crying because she was afraid Anakin was in danger since 3PO had just told her Master Ani had returned to the Jedi Temple. She was also crying because the Jedi Temple, a symbol of the guardians of peace and justice in her beloved Republic was on FIRE. Everything is going to crap all around her. I'd cry too.