Palpatine=Sidious ... its so obvious!

Palpatine and Sidious could be clones of someone, either Palpy of Sid, or (I don't think its as likely) Sid of Palpy. You can keep your money, because we've seen a clue to this in Dark Empire.
It'd be a perfect reason to start some Clone Wars-- either the Galctic Chancellor's clone became the evil Darth Sidious, or an Evil Lord of the Sith was allowed to be cloned and that clone became the Chancellor. Do I hear the Naboo screaming "Impeachment!" ???

 

Palpatine and Sidious could be clones of someone, either Palpy of Sid, or (I don't think its as likely) Sid of Palpy. You can keep your money, because we've seen a clue to this in Dark Empire.
It'd be a perfect reason to start some Clone Wars-- either the Galctic Chancellor's clone became the evil Darth Sidious, or an Evil Lord of the Sith was allowed to be cloned and that clone became the Chancellor. Do I hear the Naboo screaming "Impeachment!" ???

 

Palpatine and Sidious could be clones of someone, either Palpy of Sid, or (I don't think its as likely) Sid of Palpy. You can keep your money, because we've seen a clue to this in Dark Empire.
It'd be a perfect reason to start some Clone Wars-- either the Galctic Chancellor's clone became the evil Darth Sidious, or an Evil Lord of the Sith was allowed to be cloned and that clone became the Chancellor. Do I hear the Naboo screaming "Impeachment!" ???

 

So in essence what you are saying, Paradox, is that Palpatine is Sidious!

Anyway, anyone want to bet on this or not?

Palpatine IS Sidious or my name isn't George Lucas!

 

I think hung solo got hung on a rut . Anyway how can you be saying papaltine and sidious are the same when they dont even have the same face. Sidious is hideous looking while palpatine is normal. Oh I have to ask was the guy playing pal the same actor that played the emperor in rotj?

 

Kainchild-
I guess you know what Sidious looks like because you've seen all the pictures of his face on the Official Site? Or maybe you were actually present during the filming of those scenes and were privy to a peak underneath his hood? Or maybe the molding on the face of a 3.5 inch action figure is so incredibly detailed that you can acurately ascertain the differences between their two chins?

On a less sarcastic note, yes the actor that plays Senator Palpatine is the same actor that played the Emperor in ROTJ. Ian McDiarmand is his name.

 

I did see a pic of sidious's doll and he looked like the same hideous face as the emperor. Wow I got yelled at by george lucas how am I going to live this down! Oh by the way where did you see that scene with him being revealed?

 

I was just reading over some info on sidious and it said how he is the blockade of naboo trading (I might have read that wrong). If that is the case that does show evidence that he is palpatine. Also the same actor that plays the emporer from rotj also plays palpatine kind of whompingly shows that they are the same person. Sooooo I guess when ever he gets invovled in the dark side he starts to get ugly also. Which I am figuring is due to the fact that he deals with more of the dark side than any other of the sith. I mean that much exposure to evil has to do something..

 

Well, it's been confirmed by George Lucas, the ANH novelization, and dozens of EU works that Palpatine is the Emperor, so that's not up for question.

On the other hand, Sidious and Palpatine do seem to share a great deal in common, but I'll bet you that they're not the same person. When GL was writing the script, he probably planted these resemblences in there for us fans. Well... Here. A friend of mine once told me that when they were filming ESB, they had James Earl Jones (voice of Darth Vader) record sounds saying "The Emperor is your father," "Obi-Wan is your father," "I am your father," etc., just to confuse fans. I think this may be similar.

Paradox

 

Well, I know it's probably uncouth to found an argument on the difference between toys but, take a look at this toy:

http://www.collectorunion.com/DS6.jpg

And compare him with this pic (sorry, it says I'm not allowed to post this one): http://www.theforce.net/collecting/news/palpatine.front.jpg http://www.theforce.net/collecting/news/palpatine.front.jpg

These are definitely not the same guy...unless Palpatine metamorphoses into an old decrepit guy with red eyes whenever he's Darth Sidious - but I think that's a load of crap. I stand by the "succesion of master and apprentice" theory, and with some solid evidence.

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Palpatine=Macbeth

Sidious= The Witches that tempt him with power.

It's probably been said before.

 

I agree that they are not the same. If you look at the two action figures, Sidious appears to be quite a bit heavier, and perhaps a bit shorter than Palpatine.

 

I agree with Griff Blazer. Remember that Star Wars is very parallel with myths, so putting it along the same lines as a play would be similar. Also, the dark side is based off temptation. GL probably needed a backing for the temptation, hence, Sidious.

 

I just looked over the characters page for the prequels, and although Sidious does look like the ESB Palpatine, it is far to obvious for them to be the same person. In Epi. I, Palpatine looks much younger than Sidious. Palpatine is only Sidious's protege, they are not the same person.

 

Check this out. It's from the Darth Sidious package of the upcoming Kenner figure. Thanks to SirSteve.
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/e1/e1f/e1fdarthsidiousss.jpg http://www.sirstevesguide.com/e1/e1f/e1fdarthsidiousss.jpg
Looks a lot like Palpatine to me. You can find this picture posted below with a Senator Palpatine picture as well--both from Kenner packaging.
SirSteve has a nice website -- http://www.sirstevesguide.comwww.sirstevesguide.com



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Yeah, but isn't that a bit to obvious? Its almost as if those quotes were used FOR people to think that was the case.

 

And now Emperor Palpatine:

http://204.132.152.243/multimedia/pics/Characters/Palpatine/Emperor1-ROTJ-vcap.jpg http://204.132.152.243/multimedia/pics/Characters/Palpatine/Emperor1-ROTJ-vcap.jpg

Thanks to theForce.net Multimedia section.


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Here's the links for quotes and a bio on Sidious from Kenner packaging.
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/e1/e1f/e1fdarthsidiouslines.jpg http://www.sirstevesguide.com/e1/e1f/e1fdarthsidiouslines.jpg
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/e1/e1f/e1fdarthsidiousbio.jpg http://www.sirstevesguide.com/e1/e1f/e1fdarthsidiousbio.jpg

Go to http://www.sirstevesguide.comwww.sirstevesguide.com

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I can see one way in which this would work. That is, that Darth Sidious is the dark, less atractive manifestation of Palpatine. Palpatine, while he's in the senate, is keeping up the beneficient, grandfatherly persona until he has fufilled his machinations (like the hagardly wicked witch versus the beautiful one in Snow White). However, that doesn't fulfill the legendary parameters of this story. When Wagner was writing his story to his Ring Cycle he needed it to be dramatic, but he still needed it to fit the bill of legend and secondary epic (as we understand it through the work of Frazer and the Grimm Bros.). He didn't simply make the trickster Alberich the universal villain of the story (it's not a religion, it's a legend and though they're connected, despite what Campbell might suggest, there is a difference). He simply was the initiator. His power is usurped by different people with different crafty plans.
I think George has the same idea. Think about it, it's perfect: We go to the movie, and those of us who know who Palpatine is will think he's Sidious, while more casual viewers will simply think Sidious is the Emperor of RotJ - in reality neither are right. First Maul, the original apprentice, will die, and we find Palpatine is his new apprentice. Then, Sidious himself loses to Palpatine and the new apprentice becomes Anakin. Finally Luke, the true Son of Suns, will cancel out the sucession (as does Zeus in Hesiod's works). man...i don't know how many times I've written this.

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I hadn't considered the casual viewer yet, clerk. Thanks for that incite. I think you have a good idea going there. I like the reference to Joseph Campbell. Good one.

 

Hope this isn't overkill, but....
Compare the chins and noses!
Darth Sidious
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/e1/e1f/e1fdarthsidiousss.jpg
Senator Palpatine
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/e1/e1f/e1fsenatorpalpatiness.jpg
Go to http://www.sirstevesguide.com http://www.sirstevesguide.com

 

Someone edit those pics. Either watto needs to do it, or a moderator. This thread is crawling b/c of it. It wouldn't matter, but this is a hot topic.

Watto- You're comparing a toy to a real picture. That's not really credible.

 

LookSirDroids--I edited the posts, hope it works better for you guys now.
But--I am not comparing a toy to real life. The Darth Sidious and Senator Palpatine pictures that are posted right here are from the MOVIE. They were taken by Lucas or Kenner and put on the packaging. They are actual pictures of the characters. I think that's pretty credible. The quotes and bio are real too. The one Clerk posted is an action figure of Darth Sidious. Speaking of which it is up to him to edit that large picture out if it is slowing you guys down. I'm not sure if Sidious is Palpatine...but they sure do look alike. It's either Lucas wants us to think that, and they are actually two characters...or that they are one in the same. My 2 cents.

 

Thanks, its much quicker now.

Watto- I know what you're saying. It just seems like it is TOO obvious. There has got to be something else behind it.

 

OK..vote time. Who thinks Sidious is Palpatine undercover? Who thinks Palpatine and Sidiuos are 2 completely different individuals? Who thinks that they are clones?

My vote: Sidious=Palpatine undercover

One thing we do know...both Darth Sidious and Palpatine are the Phantom Menace!
(along with Anakin's destiny as Vader)

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