Palpatine used telepathy on Anakin ?

I saw this at the wiki under Force powers:

"Telepathy - The ability to mentally communicate over small or vast distances. Palpatine uses this ability in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith to contact Anakin in the Council chambers, and convince him to come to Palpatine's aid."

Huh ? I've always looked at it like Anakin made up his own mind, not like he was being influenced by a Force power. Of course Palps knew with a 90% plus certainty that Anakin would come, because of what he had said to him previously. What do you think ?

 

I thought it was Anakin's own thoughts, too, but now that you mention it, it's kinda obvious that that is Palpatine using the force. I'd say SW precedent would say so.

 

I once thought as you do. But I doubt Palpatine was. The only reason anyone thinks that Palpatine is using telepathy is that his words were not spoken to Anakin in the Chancellor's office. In the RotS novel, nothing suggests telepathy and in the screenplay it doesn't say anything about telepathy. Personally, I think Anakin was just reflecting on what Palpatine had told him, clearly we just didn't get to see all their dialogue. Or, possibly bad editing.

 

I highly, highly doubt Palpatine was using telepathy towards Anakin. I always thought that it was Anakin just recalling what he said, and weighing his options.

 

Yep, seeing it on the wiki is the only time I've heard of the Palpatine to Anakin telephathy concept. Judging by the responses here, it looks like something that needs to be edited.

 

Same. Either that wasn't made clear by the filmmakers or someone made it up for the Wiki site.

 

Take this with a grain of salt. A lot of what's on Wookieepedia is true, but there is some crap mixed in with it. This one we can file under unknown for the time being. There's nothing substantial to back this claim up.

 

Palpatine says in a voice over "You do know, don't you, if the Jedi destroy me, any chance of saving her will be lost."

That's telepathy. That is "communication through means other than the senses".

I guess anakin could be remembering a conversation he had with Palpatine off-screen, but I always thought it was telepathy.

The simplest explanation is usually right, especially in a movie. It seems like telepathy, so that is what it is.

 

I see how this can be viewed in two different ways, but I think Palps was communicating with Anakin. At first (theater) I thought it was just random thoughts, but later (dvd) I changed my mind. The way he says "you do know don't you" sounds like he is reinforcing their previous conversation at the present time. Not Anakin jumbling thoughts together or remebering dialogue that was never shown(didn't happen). I think Palps was following up on him here. I have the feeling many people will want to shoot this idea down, but how is this any different from how Vader communicated with Luke in TESB? It seems like the same thing to me. It's not a far out idea either given what we know about the SW universe. Opinions?

 

I have the feeling many people will want to shoot this idea down, but how is this any different from how Vader communicated with Luke in TESB? It seems like the same thing to me. It's not a far out idea either given what we know about the SW universe. Opinions?

Luke in ESB is shown conscienously responding. He was trying to ignore Vader and trying to communicate with Ben instead. It was very clear what was happening. Also the words used by Vader made it clear he was calling out to Luke to join him.

Anakin in the counsel room was looking out towards Padmes apartment with scenes of Padme looking out towards the Jedi temple. If any telephathy was going on in that scene, it seems like it would have been between Anakin and Padme. The Palps voice over we heard definately seems like Anakin thinking out loud, because the voice doesnt say anything along the lines of coming to the Senate building immediately.

Now there is. If Sinister says there's nothing substantial to back this claim up, thats pretty good authority, considering his large collection of stuff.

 

I always saw it as Palpataine just influencing him through the force. They keep Anakin in the chambers as kind of a 'just go and calm down and think' method, but then sidious probes his thoughts and just brings out Anakins deeper fears.

 

Well, what I'm saying is that on any form of Wikipedia, there is a reference source in case there is something that is disputed. Looking at the Wookieepedia entry under telepathy, I see nothing about it being used to lure Anakin to Palpatine's. I see a list of Jedi who were strong in this art. Saesee Tinn was refered to this in the ROTS novelization and previous eu material. Though in Master Tinn's case, it is because it is common in his species to begin with. Same with Plo Koon.

In the course of this scene in ROTS, Lucas left out where Anakin recalled what Padme said to him before they went out into the Arena on Geonosis. As a result, this scene is in doubt. Whether is it a telepathic call or a memory of something said before Anakin went away.

Note if this was a telepathic call, why did we not see Palpatine sitting at his desk. In TESB, Kershner cut back & forth between the Skywalker men when they communicated through the Force. Likewise with Luke and Leia earlier. So that we would have a clear indication that this was the case. Why didn't we see Palpatine say it and cut to Anakin raising his head.

 

Looking at the Wookieepedia entry under telepathy, I see nothing about it being used to lure Anakin to Palpatine's.


Not under Telepathy, under the Force powers, Telepathy section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Powers

Heres the full section:

"
Telepathy - The ability to mentally communicate over small or vast distances. Palpatine uses this ability in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith to contact Anakin in the Council chambers, and convince him to come to Palpatine's aid. Also, Luke uses it to contact Leia in Episode V. Palpatine is later seen to use telepathy in the Expanded Universe. While Mara Jade serves as his personal aide, he is able to contact her anywhere in the galaxy through telepathy, even, it seems, posthumously. In the novel The Last Command by Timothy Zahn, he haunts Mara with his last request: "You will kill Luke Skywalker." Only when she kills Luke's clone, Luuke, she is freed from this terrible link and able to begin anew. "

 

See, my problem is that all comes from the gaming resource books. Now, there is stuff that comes from actual eu and what not. But in this case, they're saying something which may not be true. Given that nothing is really said officially, beyond this.

 

I always thought it went broader than that....including sending Anakin the nightmares about his mother and Padme.

 

There are a lot of very interesting 'what ifs' here. For instance, if the Sith did create Anakin, perhaps he is more receptive to the influence of a Sith. I do not believe that to be true, but in the nature of this post, it seems a good spot to bring up the possibility.

And I too felt that Anakin's dreams were somehow the result of Palpatine's influence. But after reading these boards I am open to the strong possiblity that those dreams could merely have been the force showing Anakin both certain realities (as with Shmi's suffering and death) and future possibilities (as with Padme's death while birthing the twins). In the case of the latter, the force could have been indicating one possible result of the path that Anakin was currently taking. Regarding the Shmi dreams, he refused to let go of his attachment to her, which was a path to the dark side.

Interesting that Luke had a force vision while in training with Yoda where he saw his friends suffering, just as Anakin sensed his mothers pain. Yoda does not seem alarmed by Luke's vision of the future, as "always in motion, the future is!"

I bring this up because The Cave on Dagobah seems to have been a vision manipulated in some way by Yoda. He leads Luke to that spot, then prods him to enter. As Luke confronts the vision of Vader, Yoda seems able to see what has transpired, as if he "ran the projector" for Luke's vision.

Then, as noted above, Vader telepathically communicates with Luke on the MF after Leia heeds Luke's call for help and rescues him.

So while there is nothing to show in canon that Anakin's dreams and his recollection of Palpatine's warning is some sort of telepathy, the events in TESB show it is not out of the realm of possibilities.

 

Hey Voodoo, I recall reading this on wiki as well. What also caught my attention there: under Force Powers there's something called "Force Cry" (which i've never heard of) where Jedi can call out to one another when their in need of help. I agree with Sinister that some of the info there is a bit ambigous to say the least. I'll have to take another look but I do recall what you've mentioned.

 

What also caught my attention there: under Force Powers there's something called "Force Cry" (which i've never heard of) where Jedi can call out to one another when their in need of help.

Yep, they got some really weird Force powers stuff listed in that link above. Like Force "Breath Control ". Maybe they should expand that to Force Bad Breath Control.

 

Anakin performed the force cry many a time, even as Vader.

He also mastered the "Force Whinge".

 

And he perfected the Force Whine in AOTC.

 

You guys are killing me!

 

I never thought of it as telepathy. After all, something similar happens on the Invisible Hand. When Palpatine mentions the Tusken Raiders, you can hear the Tuskens calling out, but it's not telepathy, it's just part of a memory (and possibly to trigger a familiarity with the Tuskens for the audience).

 

After all, something similar happens on the Invisible Hand. When Palpatine mentions the Tusken Raiders, you can hear the Tuskens calling out, but it's not telepathy, it's just part of a memory (and possibly to trigger a familiarity with the Tuskens for the audience).




Thats the creaking of the ship that was purposedly supposed to sound like the Tusken Raiders. Yep, not telepathy but an incredible coincidence.

 

No, it's a specific Tusken sound. I've never heard a creaking ship in Star Wars that sounded anything like a Tusken roar.

 

Note if this was a telepathic call, why did we not see Palpatine sitting at his desk. In TESB, Kershner cut back & forth between the Skywalker men when they communicated through the Force. Likewise with Luke and Leia earlier. So that we would have a clear indication that this was the case. Why didn't we see Palpatine say it and cut to Anakin raising his head.


Because that was Kershner directing a movie, and this is Lucas. Different styles. This wouldn't be the first thing that Lucas has left ambiguious in the PT. This might be another question with a personal POV answer.

It's a direct and clear statement in Palp's voice, so the words in Anakin's head either have to be him recalling something that Palps said that we didn't see, or Palps actually communicating with him at the present, giving an extra nudge. This could go either way, but I lean towards the latter.