PT Palpatine was anakins father

In the final cut, yes.

It worked more with the chosen narrative for it to be ambiguous, ultimately. For reasons stated here and more.

Its plainly obvious he wasn't too keen to actually help Anakin save Padme, but I think it was actually Palpatine as Anakin's creator in the early draft.

The Jedi come off a little harsher in the original version, I gather, a lot more willing to get involved. But smarter I would think. And ultimately retaining their status as the victims.

 

Well something in IX that seems to add some credence to Palpatine's ROTS claims is his interactions with both the chosen one and the dyad.

Palpatine subverting the chosen one's path turns the Jedi's biggest strength into their biggest weakness regardless of Anakin's true origin.

It is subverted once when the Jedi think it is proven false in ROTS, then subverted again when it comes true, and Anakin's established closeness to the Emperor ironically is what saves them.
To add Palpatine "creating Anakin" adds a third subversion, where the Sith were trying to create a weapon, create the Jedi's chosen one unintentionally, who ends up destroying the Jedi because the Sith better used him.
Anakin's redemption remains relatively untouched by how Palpatine would technically perceive him when he killed Palpatine - it is much the same backfiring macro-machination as it always was.

The intent in TROS (besides... general subversion yet again) I think is to make Palpatine look like he learned from his mistake, but still doesn't see the big picture - he mildly mocks Vader to Kylo in their opening encounter; "become what your grandfather never could".
And seems to genuinely expect Rey to become Sith-possessed Empress.

But true to character he ultimately quite literally sees nothing but potential power for himself in the dyad's existence, which echoes back along as far as TPM where we had seen Sidious's intent with Amidala, and his discarding of Dooku then even Vader, then Luke.

Palpatine being essentially responsible for both of his defeats is a good twist seemingly implied by IX, with any possibility Anakin's creation being caused by the Sith being echoed by Palpatine's cloned son's daughter and his possible-creation's-grandson teaming against him.

 

I always believed this so wanted it to be the rise of skywalker narrative.. Geirge is said to have played with the idea

 

The cheating death part was the ploy, we don't know if the creating life part is a ploy or not.

 

we know he was talking about Plaguies having that power, not himself

 

If that was true that would mean Palpatine’s grand daughter Rey kissed his great grandson Ben.

 

Anakin is the product of his virtuous and strong mother. Shmi has such a pure and beautiful spirit that she was the perfect vessel for a male free conception.

 

That certainly is an.... "unusual" way to interpret the "there was no father" situation

 

I've always liked the idea of Sidious creating Anakin. We had some discussion about this last year in this thread in case anyone is interested.

 

Honestly, I think I prefer Anakins creation to remain a mystery. Its more interesting to me that way. Shmi's quick ending line in TPM regarding her pregnancy nails it: ".... I cant explain it". Its the unknown that can sometimes spur better discussions & talk about the "what ifs?". IMO, too many movies and series feel the need to have a backstory & explanation for everything. Dont - its not necessary and can sometimes ruin the intrigue of the character(s). Let Anakins creation stay an unknown.

Oher examples are how stupid that new Joker movie was. The whole reason the Joker works so well in Dark Knight is that there is NO backstory. Thats what makes it great. I also think that Sauron in Lord of the Rings is better left "as is". A lot of fans want some movie made about his backstory or whatever too. The texts hint at Sauron being an elf gone bad and other writings hint at hes always been a demonic force or being. I dont care. It wont make the LOTR films any better!

 

I also prefer if Anakin's "father" had remained a mystery. Why is it important that Palpatine be his father? How is that supposed to explain Anakin's character? That he was automatically destined to be evil? Is that it?

 

More like: In their greed for eternal dominion, the Sith planted the seed of their own destruction.
Irony. Poetic justice.

 

I certainly prefer Palpatine NOT being Anakin's father! There are way too many family connections in the saga as it is. In the OT Vader turns out to be Luke's father, Leia his sister. That's enough already! We don't need any more family ties.
The ST ruined the story with that obsession with family relations even more by TFA's main villain being Han and Leia's son (couldn't he have just been some random power-hungry guy that may have admired the good old times of the Empire without having direct family relations with it?), then took it a step further in TROS with Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter. Really, stop there, don't add even more family relations. It would just ruin the saga even more.
As for Anakin's father, this will luckily be unknown and pure speculation UNLESS Lucas himself confirms it - and I hope he never will.
Why not let Palpatine be a total stranger that happens to be a Sith and senses an opportunity for a potential apprentice? That's enough for me. No need for even more "incest".

 

Before it was passed of as legends the 2012? Darth Plagueis book confirmed Anakin was born from the Force as a reaction to the Dark side meddling of Plagueis and Palpatine.

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Agreed 100%. Shmi's line is ambiguous enough to be interpreted in many ways. And Anakin being a creation of the Force fits better the narrative than being a creation of Palpatine (or any other).

Whether he confirms it or not should be inconsequential. Anakin doesn't exist in real life, therefore, there is no "real" answer.
The films are there, and that's all that matters.

 

I beg to differ! Film, literature and video games are media that exist in real life. Star Wars exists in all those forms and more. Most importantly, it exists in our collective consciousness.
It's all real!

 

Oh they exist and Ive read some SW novels and such but I dont consider them canon per se and really use the films as my information source. In other words, Im one of those: "If its not in the released films then it didnt happen" crowd. Yes, not evefryone does or has to agree with me and legit arguments can be made that things like the Clone Wars TV series and a few other pieces of media do fit in nicely and help explain some things. But, when that gets too heavily relied on then it just creates a mess and arguments ensue. Its also a cheap way to explain plot holes and writing errors, IMO.

Honestly, my dislike of TROS is heavily influenced by hating Palpatines return and Ive been directed to read this comic, play this game, blah blah for a better *explanation* for it. No go deal for me. Its dumb and I hated it.

 

I don't really see what that has to do with what I said, but alrighty then

 

My bad - didnt intend to mess anything up here! . I guess I was probably reading into it too much regarding what passes for canon and what doesnt. Something like that. Its all good.

 

Even tho Anakin being created by palps was what i wanted to be confirmed by ros.. I wasn't too disappointed.. Im satisfied

 

No he wasn't Anakin's father.
He said that to manipulate Anakin into thinking that he was created by evil, so Anakin would believe he was predisposed to the Dark Side.

 

Plagueis was

 

Anakin has had so many father figures in these movies that it would probably be more useful to ask who isn't his father?

 

How? Is the emotional aspect of how the whole confrontation played out hard to accept?

 

Nah, it's Watto. Watto is Anakin's Father.