ST Poe Dameron/Oscar Isaac Discussion Thread

Edgar Dameron?

 

Poe's got two sons, Edgar and Allen.

 

what y'all think of the PoeRey shipping that went on the Trevorrow script?

 

I haven't read the Trevorrow script, but PoeRey sounds about 14 parsecs better than ReyLo.

 

Oohhh, **** you done opened pandora's box.

Actually, what's the heroic version of the Pandora's Box? 'Cause whatever it is, it's that! (At least with me, anyway)

I have shipped Damerey (Poe/Rey) for almost 5 years now. That is my favorite (non) canon ship, and I'm hoping that it will become canon in the new Rey movie. I just think they look cute together, they have quite a few things in common, they have Han/Leia vibes, and honestly, I think Poe and Rey are perfect for each other.

Rey is kind, non-judgemental (unlike Finn, who gave Poe a hard time for being a former spice runner), understanding, and empathetic (unlike Zorii, especially in Free Fall).

Poe is kind and shares the same morals and values as Rey unlike Kylo. Poe also knows she can take care of herself unlike Finn.

Also, have you noticed they have a lot of cinemetic and themetic parallels throughout the trilogy? I mean, I know it's most likely lazy writing or they have their own journeys that parallel each other (leaders of the Resistance and Jedi), but still.

I joined a Damerey discord server, but those b*tches are too conservative and reactionary for me. And I tried making a Damerey subreddit, but no one was interested.

EDIT: OH YEAH! The Trevarrow script! We were robbed. That's all I'll say. We were also robbed of a Damerey reunion in the Trevarrow script itself.

 

The fewer Trevorrow films there are in the world, the better. No matter what ships may have been in one.

 

I wasn’t opposed to it. It was a little too shades of Han/Leia, but it wouldn’t have been bad. What I didn’t like about the script was more Leia’s role since this was supposedly before Carrie passed. I felt he didn’t know how to use Leia aside from getting the galaxy back on his side. I did like her all white outfit/hair.

and best thing about Poe in that script was that he wouldn’t say that cringey line “somehow Palpatine returned.”

 

Rey and Finn have their meet-cute and grow a bond in TFA. Then the next two movies do their level-best to destroy the bond or weaken it into something tepid.

I guess you could say that weird little introduction between Rey and Poe introduced an angle of attraction between the two, but it plays as a non sequitur in the movie. I'm not sure I buy any romance between them in any possible script.

There's just not much "there" there with Poe. The "leader of the Resistance" angle was too contrived. As far as the story goes, killing him off early on in TFA (as originally planned) would have been reasonable.

 

In the Duel of the Fates script Poe and Rey were gonna do that quick lets kiss so we won't be noticed thing and then they gonna have an awkward moment after.

Its fair to say that Poe was more Han to Finn Luke in terms of this triangle.

 

TLJ didn't do Poe any favors. But IMO, the fall of the house of Poe began in Resistance. That show made him look dumb for trusting what's-his-name as a spy. It was just awful. He was never again as cool as he had been in TFA.

 

I dont know if ironic but The Last Jedi, is Poe Dameron's movie of the new leads. TFA is more Finn and TROS is more Rey.

 

Well Poe wasnt killed off because they clearly see potential in the character. And the reason he did not get alot to do in TFA is because he was meant to be killed off originally, so his bigger part was clearly added mid filming. While TLJ was working from the start with Poe to give him an arc. If anything Poe is the character who was progressed and given special treatment. As he went from a character who was to be killed off to being a part of the resistance show and whose arc was actually on a layed out on track to take over from Leia. Its fair to say that Lucasfilm liked Poe as a potential Han Solo. Which personally i noticed from his very first scene in TFA. Which was the first scene of the movie.

Poe is a character who had an arc. And one that paid off and he was a character. There is very little negative to complain about.

 

I'm starting to really hate the "Let's make new character like an old character!" BS filmakers seem to like so much. Why can't they be their own characters?!

 

This thread is almost 4 years old and I'm not exaggerating when I say that roughly 10% of its contents are specifically me being negative about Poe's "arc", a number that would actually be higher if life hadn't gotten in the way and then I didn't feel like it was worth coming back and reigniting the same debate months later.

 

Okay, a few more things:

"Flaws that don't really exist"

Uh... "Poe Dameron. Spice Runner. Runner of spice. Get your spice!" ("I'm not Leia.") "That's for damn sure." -That's not giving someone a hard time?
And Finn IS overprotective. He wanted to steal an escape pod even though he can't fly and the FO is following them to "save" Rey and keep her out of danger, he wanted to go after Rey when she went to the DS wreckage ("We have to go after her. We're going to lose her.") plus he rushes after her when he saw her fighting with Kylo. That's not overprotective?

"Fear of interracial couples"

That one confuses me to no end. Because three (count 'em, three) Disney remakes have interracial couples- Beauty and the Beast (Lumiere and Plumette), Lady and the Tramp (Jim Dear and Darling and technically Lady and the Tramp themselves, since they are voiced by a white man and a black woman), and the Little Mermaid (Ariel and Eric). Also, in the Poe comics, Snap Wexley (a white man) marries Kare Kun, a black woman. And there's also an interracial couple in Mando season 3. So...why can all those interracial couples be together, but not Finn and Rey? And does interracial only mean African-American (Or British or French) and white? Isn't Hispanic/White and Asian/White or Asian/Black or Hispanic/Black interracial? Or is it just Lucasfilm that's worried?

"Poe dying in TFA would be reasonable"

I low-key agree. But then who would blow up SKB? Who would lead the charge on Takodana? Who would tangle with Holdo in TLJ (or would it just be a shorter movie?)? Who would lead the airstrike on Exegol? Would there still be Poe Dameron comics? Who would recruit Kaz? And speaking of...

"looks dumb for trusting what's-his-name to be a spy"

I chalk it up to a) Kaz is the least likely to be suspected of being a spy. b) Leia hired him to piss that ******* senator Hamato Xiono off and c) Poe worried that Kaz might make the same mistakes he (Poe) did (Running away form home and getting mixed up in the Spice Runners of Kijimi)

 

Well that’s why the threads not been that busy

I mean whether you are happy with how it went or not is another thing but ultimately he has an arc and it pays off by TROS. In terms of character treatment you can hate the direction but you can’t say he wasn’t given his due.

 

Blowing up SKB is such a nonevent, it's hard to remember that they reran the end of ROTJ in TFA. Or more accurately, I don't think JJ really is rerunning ANH. I've been thinking lately that he's rerunning TPM, because I remember watcthing TPM and trying to figure out who the actual protagonist is and where the story was going. TFA has the same lack of narrative focus, so that they can do the "surprise, Rey's the Jedi!" ending. Think about TPM, it's meandering here, there and everywhere and ends with the half hearted "let's blow something up" bit. Whereas ANH is really linear - here's the Death Star plans, who's got the Death Star plans, let's use the Death Star plans. TFA is "well, we're trying to find Luke, no wait, here's random girl, oh, look there's the Falcon, wait, there's this big planet that blows things up? But that's okay, it's super easy to blow it up, barely an inconvenience" (nod to the Pitch Meeting videos).

That Poe vs Holdo subplot being excised in TLJ would have at least made the movie less tedious because there are way too many plots going on (and not one of them is engaging but that's another story!). I mean, does Holdo blowing up part of the FO fleet even do anything? Nope.

 

I think Padme. She's the one who this story is most about. Qui-Gon, Anakin and Obi-Wan have their important roles, but the story is about Padme. Anakin does his part at the end in a strong way, but Padme has already won the war by capturing the viceroy and discussing a new treaty. Anakin's actions moreso keep the gungans from being all killed. Meanwhile the Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan fighting Maul thing is more about Obi-Wan taking on the responsibility of Anakin.

 

Really its Qui-gons thats the protagonist of TPM. I mean thats a film thats not that hard to figure out because we are almost always over Qui-gons shoulder as he guides the story and he has the most screen time in the entire movie.

Star Wars to a point is an assemble piece anyway. So more than one character can be important. But if you want to point one out as the most important of that movie, then its Qui-gon.

 

It's true that the reason the Kylo thread is 575 pages long is because people love to rant about him, and the Rey and Finn threads are also hundreds of pages long because people like to rant about Kylo in them as well, but only @K2771991 and I had the guts to bring that level of passion to the Poe thread!

 

I try to bring life to this page sometimes,

 

Let the past die.