ST Poe Dameron/Oscar Isaac Discussion Thread

I felt the Han Solo similarity from the moment onwards after he was being a smart ass to Kylo Ren. Thats the point where i realized they were either attempting to replicate Han. Either that or issac just brought so much charisma to what was meant to be a small role and whatever that it just ended up feeling like Han.

I mean people like to think RJ expanded on Poe's Han solo like a personality from nothing... But i noticed it in TFA and there are many articles from 2016 of others noticing it too.

 

Oh he’d be fabulous in something like that.

I’d seen him in Sucker Punch and Robin Hood, but I’ve been a fan since Ex Machina. He utterly leveled me in that role. Still my favorite performance, though I am sure his performances in Moon Knight will, um, eclipse my fondness for Nathan Bateman stat.

I always see him as the character he’s playing in the specific film or series.

I loved him as Leto. Very regal, stoic...and yet...human.

Scenes from a Marriage was phenomenal. Not my cup as far as taste, but Oscar and Jessica were playing these characters exceedingly real. Oscar portrayed a certain type of Jewish man pitch perfect in that. I recognized some acquaintances I’m glad I forgot in Oscar’s performance.

I really wanted to love The Card Counter. I think Shrader held back a bit too much with Oscar’s damaged military policeman “William Tell” (who was forced to become a torturer at Abu Ghraib by his superior Paul (Willem DaFoe). Isaac’s prison scenes were fantastic and there’s one moment amongst those scenes where I squealed “He’s channeling Marc Spector!” While I understood the character’s need to stay under the radar after his prison sentence ends, and the redemption quest, Oscar’s costars and their subplots did not quite work. There’s not enough screen time with Willem DaFoe either. So this great build up sort of fizzles out. Not a terrible film by any means, but I wish the payoff would have stuck the landing.

Yes, Oscar has a wickedly sharp sense of humor and I’d love to see him host SNL.

I still am stunned Oscar said yes to Moon Knight, but am not surprised he adored working on it. I am excited to see what he does as my favorite character(s). I am really happy he’s doing all these different projects and showing off his range.

As far as Poe, I wish things had been more coherent. Though I’d be happy if he guest starred as a new character on The Mandalorian just to give Din a rough time.

 

Poe should never have been expanded to the main cast. On top of the character just not being any good, it created developmental issues, taking a lot of focus and badly needed screen time away from Finn. Without Poe, RJ probably would have been forced to take the time spent on Poe/Holdo and put it into Finn, having no one else in the main cast.

 

Or he could've just partnered Finn and Poe instead of introducing 2 new characters.

 

You know, sometimes I wish they didn't make Poe so...important with so much potential.
It just seems like they started off making him important to the plot and storylines, but then they change their minds.

-Poe's parents are main characters in Shattered Empire and Luke gives Shara a Force sensitive tree and Poe has a chapter in Before the Awakening- Oh, wait, never mind, we're killing him off.

-Oh, wait, never mind, he's gonna be a main character.

-Poe is a legacy rebel character- oh wait, never mind, he used to be a spice runner

-Poe/Finn for the win- oh wait, never mind, we're introducing an old girlfriend

-Oh wait, never mind, the ex-girlfriend doesn't like him that way and was abusive towards him in Free Fall

-He's calm, cool, collected, and mature, and doesn't need to be told everything in TFA- oh wait, never mind, he's a hot-headed military maverick who DOES need to be told everything.

-There's a small chance of him appearing in The Mandalorian- oh wait, never mind, each season takes place different years. If he was going to appear, it would have been in season 2, so nope! (This was just a theory/wish of mine. Nothing official was said. But still...)

-Poe's parents had a storyline in the main Star Wars comics, and the Empire knows about Poe (Commander Zahra uses [a picture of] Poe as leverage against Shara to talk. Oh, wait, never mind, it's not that important. It's just for ***** and giggles, and Shara dies a depressing and lonely death in space of bloodburn in 10 ABY

I mean, to be fair, they did that to Rey and Finn, too. She's a secret Kenobi- oh wait, never mind, she's a nobody. Oh wait, never mind, she's a Palpatine. Finn will be a Jedi- oh wait, never mind, he's a janitor who screams "REY!" every five seconds. He's in love with Rose- oh wait, never mind, he has a crush on Rey. Oh wait, never mind, he likes Jannah now.

They did that more with Poe, though.

Seriously, though, what is the freaking point in adding all those interesting plot threads (Force tree, Shara's death, Zorii) if they're just not going to use them?!

I wonder what the next aspect of Poe's life they're going to change their minds on.

-Poe's ring necklace used to be his mother's. He wears it in hopes of giving it to his partner one day- oh wait, never mind, it's a silly souvenir from the Ring of Kafrene?

-Poe argues with Rey all the time and doesn't like her that much. Oh wait, never mind, he's secretly in love with her?

...Actually, I wouldn't mind that last one...

 

Can’t believe I didn’t notice his spice-runner background was copy and pasted from Han Solo. Lame.

He has some humorous moments as a character nevertheless.

 

Its interesting the Rise of Skywalker Movie Retcons the Poe Dameron Comics in the Poe Comics and Shattered Empire it is said that Poe was the Son of two Rebels and that he always served the Resistance since he was very Young but in Rise of Skywalker Movie they say that Poe was a Smuggler but i think that the Poe Dameron Novel Free Fall Fix this Problem but i have never read that Novel yet

 

Actually, no it doesn't retcon anything. It just adds to it. Here's the timeline:
18 ABY- Poe (accidentally- they didn't introduce themselves as the Spice Runners of Kijimi) joins the Spice runners of Kijimi
19 ABY- Poe leaves the Spice Runners when things get hairy, THEN he joins the Republic Navy.
31 ABY- Poe joins the Resistance
33 ABY- The Poe comics happen

I don't remember it ever saying that Poe was in the Resisitance "since he was very young". Poe's parents retired from the Rebellion after the Battle of Endor, then moved to Yavin 4 with Poe, who was 2 at that point. Poe's mother was a pilot for the Yavin 4 Defense Force, then died when Poe was 8.

 

So, where do you guys see Poe 15 years after TROS? Head of the military, flight teacher/trainer, or bored out of his kriffing mind and actually misses war? Personally, I see him as head of the military, but I also can't see him sitting behind a desk all day every day.

 

Based on the last trilogy, he'll be smuggling again, and maybe have Chewie and the Falcon, if Rey isn't using it... I hope Oscar stays far away, because Poe was one of the few positives out of the ST.

 

You know, it still saddens me that there are less than 10 pages of Poe discussion whereas everyone else in the ST (Rey, Finn, Snoke, Kylo) have 100 times as many pages.

 

Its because Poe is fairly safe in terms of what can be said about him.

 

I'm not sure I understand.

 

Same. I'm confused.

 

You know, because, like, yeah.

 

Wouldn't that mean more would be said about him?

 

Well no because safe is boring and there is very little worth saying.

Thats why forums are mostly debates and complaints.

 

I disagree that there is sufficient evidence to claim that forums are mostly debates and complaints, and am outraged that you would say such a thing.

 

I been on enough forums in the past to know the most popular threads are the ones people are complaining in.

Positivity is often short-lived after a new product comes out. then there isn't alot to say on the matter that hasn't been said.

 

So, it's seems, to me, more that there isn't much some have to say about it, from fan attention, to perceptions on the character, to much thought on missed potential.

 

And yet Poe is a fine character. The character has charisma and he had a pretty decent arc this trilogy considering he was originally meant to be killed off in TFA before they decided against it. He was promoted big time.

I sometimes wonder whether some people think the character deserved it though. but also don't want to hate on the character so he just kinda falls into this limbo of reluctant to be acknowledged often.