JCC Pope watch MMXIII (MMXXV Edition)

"Random Catholic from Massachusetts" makes the odds far too great it ends up being a Kennedy.

 

John Paul II was elected Pope the year I was born. He wound up being Pope until I was 27. That was the first time I had ever seen a new pope elected. Now? This will be the third Pope in 20 years. Ironically, my kids (14 and 8) are witnessing basically for the first time since either they were not born or don't remember the past two elections.

 

12 years is good Popeage. JP2 was an anomaly. Elected young and very long lasting.

 

Average is about 8 years. So he almost got 50% higher than average

 

Article on the prospective future Pope

Cardinal Peter Erdo
Erdo, 72, the archbishop of Budapest and primate of Hungary, was twice elected head of the Council of European Episcopal Conferences, in 2005 and 2011, suggesting he enjoys the esteem of European cardinals who make up the biggest voting bloc of electors. In that capacity, Erdo got to know many African cardinals because the council hosts regular sessions with African bishops’ conferences. Erdo had even more exposure when he helped organize Francis’ 2014 and 2015 Vatican meetings on the family and delivered key speeches, as well as during papal visits to Budapest in 2021 and 2023.

Cardinal Reinhard Marx
Marx, 71, the archbishop of Munich and Freising, was chosen by Francis as a key adviser in 2013. Marx later was named to head the council overseeing Vatican finances during reforms and belt-tightening. The former president of the German bishops’ conference was a strong proponent of the controversial “synodal path” process of dialogue in the German church that began in 2020 as a response to the clergy sexual abuse scandal there. As a result, he is viewed with skepticism by conservatives who considered the process a threat to church unity, given it involved debating issues such as celibacy, homosexuality and women’s ordination. Marx made headlines in 2021 when he dramatically offered to resign as archbishop to atone for the German church’s dreadful abuse record, but Francis quickly rejected the resignation and told him to stay.

Cardinal Marc Ouellet
Ouellet, 80, of Canada, led the Vatican’s influential bishops office for over a decade, overseeing the key clearinghouse for potential candidates to head dioceses around the world. Francis kept Ouellet in the job until 2023, even though he was appointed by Pope Benedict XVI, and thus helped select the more doctrinaire bishops preferred by the German pontiff. Considered more of a conservative than Francis, Ouellet still selected pastorally minded bishops to reflect Francis’ belief that bishops should “smell like the sheep” of their flock. Ouellet defended priestly celibacy for the Latin Rite church and upheld the ban on women’s ordination but called for women to have a greater role in church governance. He has good contacts with the Latin American church, having headed the Vatican’s Pontifical Commission for Latin America for over a decade. Since 2019, his office has taken charge of investigating bishops accused of covering up for predator priests, a job that would have made him no friends among those sanctioned but also could have given him lots of otherwise confidential and possibly compromising information about fellow cardinals.

Cardinal Pietro Parolin
Parolin, 70, of Italy, has been Francis’ secretary of state since 2014 and is considered one of the main contenders to be pope, given his prominence in the Catholic hierarchy. The veteran diplomat oversaw the Holy See’s controversial deal with China over bishop nominations and was involved ― but not charged ― in the Vatican’s botched investment in a London real estate venture that led to a 2021 trial of another cardinal and nine others. A former ambassador to Venezuela, Parolin knows the Latin American church well. He would be seen as someone who would continue in Francis’ tradition but as a more sober and timid diplomatic insider, returning an Italian to the papacy after three successive outsiders: St. John Paul II (Poland); Benedict (Germany) and Francis (Argentina). But while Parolin has managed the Vatican bureaucracy, he has no real pastoral experience. His ties to the London scandal, in which his office lost of tens of millions of dollars to bad deals and shady businessmen, could count against him.

Cardinal Robert Prevost
The idea of an American pope has long been taboo, given the geopolitical power already wielded by the United States. But the Chicago-born Prevost, 69, could be a first. He has extensive experience in Peru, first as a missionary and then an archbishop, and he is currently prefect of the Vatican’s powerful dicastery for bishops, in charge of vetting nominations for bishops around the world. Francis clearly had an eye on him for years and sent him to run the diocese of Chiclayo, Peru, in 2014. He held that position until 2023, when Francis brought him to Rome for his current role. Prevost is also president of the Pontifical Commission for Latin America, a job that keeps him in regular contact with the Catholic hierarchy in the part of the world that still counts the most Catholics. In addition to his nationality, Prevost’s comparative youth could count against him if his brother cardinals don’t want to commit to a pope who might reign for another two decades.

Cardinal Robert Sarah
Sarah, 79, of Guinea, the retired head of the Vatican’s liturgy office, was long considered the best hope for an African pope. Beloved by conservatives, Sarah would signal a return to the doctrinaire and liturgically minded papacies of John Paul II and Benedict. Sarah, who had previously headed the Vatican’s charity office Cor Unum, clashed on several occasions with Francis, none more seriously than when he and Benedict co-authored a book advocating the “necessity” of continued celibacy for Latin Rite priests. The book came out as Francis was weighing whether to allow married priests in the Amazon to address a priest shortage there. The implication was that Sarah had manipulated Benedict into lending his name and moral authority to a book that had all the appearances of being a counterweight to the Francis’ own teaching. Francis dismissed Benedict’s secretary and several months later retired Sarah after he turned 75. Even Sarah’s supporters lamented the episode hurt his papal chances.

Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn
Schoenborn, 80, the archbishop of Vienna, Austria, was a student of Benedict’s, and thus on paper seems to have the doctrinaire academic chops to appeal to conservatives. However, he became associated with one of Francis’ most controversial moves by defending his outreach to divorced and civilly remarried Catholics as an “organic development of doctrine,” not the rupture that some conservatives contended. Schoenborn’s parents divorced when he was a teen, so the issue is personal. He also took heat from the Vatican when he criticized its past refusal to sanction high-ranking sexual abusers, including his predecessor as archbishop of Vienna. Schoenborn has expressed support for civil unions and women as deacons, and was instrumental in editing the 1992 update of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the handbook of the church’s teaching that Benedict had spearheaded when he headed the Vatican’s doctrine office.

Cardinal Luis Tagle
Tagle, 67, of the Philippines, would appear to be Francis’ pick for the first Asian pope. Francis brought the popular archbishop of Manila to Rome to head the Vatican’s missionary evangelization office, which serves the needs of the Catholic Church in much of Asia and Africa. His role took on greater weight when Francis reformed the Vatican bureaucracy and raised the importance of his evangelization office. Tagle often cites his Chinese lineage – his maternal grandmother was part of a Chinese family that moved to the Philippines ― and he is known for becoming emotional when discussing his childhood. Though he has pastoral, Vatican and management experience ― he headed the Vatican’s Caritas Internationalis federation of charity groups before coming to Rome permanently ― Tagle would be on the young side to be elected pope for life, with cardinals perhaps preferring an older candidate whose papacy would be more limited.

Cardinal Matteo Zuppi
Zuppi, 69, the archbishop of Bologna and president of the Italian bishops conference, elected in 2022, is closely affiliated with the Sant’Egidio Community, a Rome-based Catholic charity that was influential under Francis, particularly in interfaith dialogue. Zuppi was part of Sant’Egidio’s team that helped negotiate the end of Mozambique’s civil war in the 1990s and was named Francis’ peace envoy for Russia’s war in Ukraine. Francis made him a cardinal in 2019 and later made clear he wanted him in charge of Italy’s bishops, a sign of his admiration for the prelate who, like Francis, is known as a “street priest.” In another sign of his progressive leanings and closeness to Francis, Zuppi wrote the introduction to the Italian edition of “Building a Bridge,” by the Rev. James Martin, an American Jesuit, about the church’s need to improve its outreach to the LGBTQ+ community. Zuppi would be a candidate in Francis’ tradition of ministering to those on the margins, although his relative youth would count against him for cardinals seeking a short papacy. His family had strong institutional ties: Zuppi’s father worked for the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, and his mother was the niece of Cardinal Carlo Confalonieri, dean of the College of Cardinals in the 1960s and 1970s.

 

It is hysterical to see people in their late 60s referred to as "too young" for any job.

 

It is pretty safe to say that nobody should pay any attention to any media organization or pundit projecting a future pope like a future holder of a political office. The Conclave doesn't begin for about two weeks. Wait until then. The College of Cardinals has been known to drop hints in recent history. But all predictions by the media before then should be taken with less than a grain of salt. Click bait and attention seeking.

 

I want to see next pope decided like The Anchorman brawls.

 

I think it's just about the desire for the Papacy to evolve with the times, especially if there's a "miss" like Benedict XVI was perceived to be (eventually even by himself). There's just caution of a Pope being there for 30-50 years (with life expectancy increasing).

The good news is the Cardinals who will elect the new Pope need a consensus of 2/3... and since Pope Francis actually put an age limit on them (basically even agreeing with your point), Francis's cardinals actually account for over 2/3. He didn't stick to ideological purity, but it seems to be much more representative of the world overall and even less focused on Italy and Europe.

Out of the list I posted, it seems like the best bets might be (ranked):

* Tagle
* Erdo
...
* Marx
* Zuppi / Schoenborn
* Prevost
...
* Parolin
* Ouellet
...
...
* Sarah


But really, who knows. And I'm sury others will be mentioned too. This isn't that similar to a parliamentary or presidential election.

 

I am not a member of the Catholic Church, but I am very saddened that Pope Francis passed today.

I admired him from afar for his humility and decency. He will be missed

 

Be interesting to see who's at the funeral, or who gets an invite. Putin's in a tricky position here.

 

@gezvader28 Trump is already boosting Melania and himself (two appearances in a week, he must have paid double for that!) are going:

https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lndxrhefwk2w

Because funerals are such a swell time.

 

Trump is so unintentionally funny sometimes

 

I presume Vance is going as well. That whole "returning to the scene of the crime" thing.

 

Starry eyed Trump returning from the Vatican talking about how the American government should start doing votes via smoke too.

 

Gee thanks for ruining the ending of Conclave for me.

 

Please no Pius, John, Paul, John Paul, Benedict or Francis II. That's more then a hundred yr list.

Another Leo would be ok. Maybe a Gregory but that's kinda blah to say. Alexander VII would be fire!

 

I think the natural one would be Lando II

 

The Lando System?

 

Lando's not a system, he's a Pope.

 

Yeshua I!

 

Peter (the Roman)

Let's complete the Malachi prophecy and get this show on the road.