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Amph "Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc" : The West Wing Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by heels1785 , Oct 28, 2014.

  1. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Force Ghost star 7

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    See, that's something that really bothers me about the West Wing. It's not "Her Royal Majesty" it's "Her Majesty". Even if the American characters were to get it wrong (and you would expect world politicians not to get it wrong, but whatever), there's no way a British peer would get it wrong. It's just lazy writing. I'm surprised Roger Rees didn't correct it during filming.
     
  2. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    That wasn’t Lord John. That was Lionel Tribbey.

     
  3. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Force Ghost star 7

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    Of course it was. :oops:My apologies. But I do remember Lord Marbury saying "Her Royal Majesty" at some point and being annoyed by it. :p
     
  4. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    EW with the obligatory commemorative edition :p

     
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  5. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    "because i'm tired of it - year after year, after year, after year. having to choose between the lesser of 'who cares?' of trying to get myself excited about a candidate who can speak in complete sentences. of setting the bar so low, i can hardly look at it."

    watched this episode yesterday, contains some of my favorite scenes from the series. leo's quote is especially meaningful atm.

    also, fake it til you make it.
     
  6. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    positive ive posted this before, maybe verbatim, but I just watched it and got the feels and stuff.



    john spencer was a giant of his craft.
     
  7. Coruscant

    Coruscant Force Ghost star 7

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    I just watched the episode where a documentary crew follows CJ around for a day. The terrorist on that island ended up dying in prison from “complications of kidney failure”—lol, is that what they’re calling it?
     
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  8. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    that's "access," the episode i've skipped on every one of my 477 rewatches. it's dreadful.

    i also usually skip the one where cj goes home. nothing against cj, i just don't like the episode. also the live debate between vinick and santos, because it was a good idea for live tv, but awfully tedious and boring on rewatches.
     
  9. Darth_Duck

    Darth_Duck Force Ghost star 4

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    I also skip "Access" when rewatching, but I can't imagine skipping the one where CJ goes home and bangs Matthew Modine.
     
  10. Coruscant

    Coruscant Force Ghost star 7

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    But how could you skip any frame that contains Allison Janney?!
     
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  11. mavjade

    mavjade It's so FLUFFY! Fanfic Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Saw this on twitter today, it made me really happy! [face_love][face_love] (Under a spoiler cut since I know there are people actively watching for the first time. It's kinda a spoiler for the last season... maybe?? Spoiler cut just in case!)
    "

    Also, images from them filming the HBO special! Which is set to be on HBO Max on October 15th!
    ""
     
  12. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    never thought i'd see this day. i'll miss leo.

    i'd forgotten that toby's line to jed about not acting like he was "plain-spoken" came from this episode. that is a wonderful exchange. never forget david wheaton, who taught jed chess and subsequently got stabbed in san francisco. @};-
     
  13. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    Also, several cast members are doing this upcoming zoom trivia night to fund the Joe Biden Victory fund. May not be everyone's thing but I bought a $25 guest ticket.

    https://secure.joebiden.com/a/west-wing
     
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  14. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    that sounds awesome!
     
  15. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    I know Brad Whitford, Allison Janney, and Dule Hill at least are among them!
     
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  16. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    I'm a little teary-eyed just from that trailer. :(
     
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  17. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    so by coincidence, i was at "hartsfield's landing" in my current rewatch. first time I've watched it knowing that the special episode is a stage version of the story.

    of the many wonderful small-scale episodes that are largely contained within the walls of the WH, it is one of the best. watching through it, easy to visualize it with the older actors.

    there are a lot of great mini-stories that I forgot were part of this episode, too - the best among them the charlie/cj spat over cj signing out a copy of the president's schedule, that ends with charlie gluing her phone together, taking her desk apart, and revoking her building access lol.

    sterling k. brown as leo mcgarry is going to be special.
     
  18. MrZAP

    MrZAP Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm of the I think rare opinion that it's both. It's excellent storytelling and drama, well-acted, funny, great dialogue. It also helped brainwash a generation of establishment neoliberal Democrats into thinking governing should be done in a completely stupid and counterproductive way, while pushing weak policies.

    It's a wonderful show, but I try to enjoy it as the fiction that it is.

    I get annoyed by my leftist friends saying that there's nothing good about the show and it's bad writing. I'm also annoyed with establishment people lauding it and holding it up by an example. They're both wrong.
     
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  19. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    Has anyone else watched the special yet?


    I really enjoyed the special guests, especially
    Lin-Manuel Miranda
    but not so much
    Bill Clinton, who looks particularly ghastly.
     
  20. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    planning to watch tonight!
     
  21. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Same. This will likely be after the town halls to serve as my dose of hope.
     
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  22. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    Yep, I am hoping I have time to watch tonight..and I should since there's no football game.
     
  23. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    I think I'm gonna end up watching it twice.
     
  24. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    it's a fantastic stage performance. haven't done it yet, but if you line it up against the original episode, i'll bet most of the acting is nearly the same - rob lowe and martin sheen converse exactly as they did 20 years ago. richard schiff's line delivery is the same, as is a lot of janney's. anna deveare smith is a powerhouse. sterling k. brown did a brilliant job as leo - could tell from some of the behind-the-scenes stuff how seriously he took on this role.

    my favorite "surprises" were

    ed and larry hanging out in the hall after cj and charlie passed through, during one of their spats.

    the framed "bartlet for america" napkin on leo's desk.

    also enjoyed seeing so many minor characters making a return - press corps members, assorted secretaries, etc.
     
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  25. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Yeah, that was a big one for me. I couldn't believe how many of the supporting cast members returned. I think only Admiral Fitz was missing.

    Everyone was on their A game which is no suprise. But Martin Sheen- the man didn't miss a beat. Which is why at the end
    When they merge the play into the end of the actual episode

    it flows so smoothly.

    Agreed that Sterling K. Brown took the role seriously. That said, there just is no replacing John Spencer. But I liked the Leo that he gave us.
     
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