Discussion Potential Threats/Antagonists For New Films

Seeing as how Lucasfilm has already more or less done that, it's a moot point by now.

 

If they can destroy the FO fleet, they’re going to be castrated. That goes for any future threats.

 

The weakness of the upper command structure of the FO, especially it's leader has shown the FO to be a pale imitation of the Empire. This can be turned around and the FO become the public face of the true evil, the phantom menace is hid from public view even more so than Snoke.

Snoke was an interesting visual design but it never was anywhere near as scary as the previous big bad Palpatine, that for me is the answer to the final part of the puzzle.

 

I've always figured that Hux may be a sniveling weasel, but he's a competent military leader. It's Kylo that keeps undercutting him.

Kylo is the ruination of The First Order. The story ends with either Kylo's emotional instability destroying the organisation, or with the First Order ejecting him into exile.

 

Any Galactic threats should be connected to the Sith and to Snoke. For example, an evil Whill who corrupted the founder of the Sith and is taking things into his own hands now that the Sith, Snoke, and Kylo are dead would be awesome, but the Vong just so happening to arrive in the GFFA 30 years after I would be awful. The references to 1000 years throughout the prequels imply that Galactic threats haven't been the norm in a long time.

 

Captain Canady posthumously disagrees with that statement.

 

I think the Vong arriving in the GFFA in Episodes X-XII and the New Republic/Rebellion and the remnants of the First Order teaming up to take on the Vong is just what fans and the SW saga itself really need for SW to be truly interesting.

 

The Whills becoming corrupted and overpowering the whole Universe and all its galaxies.

 

I have always thought a "droids revolt" storyline could be kind of interesting-kind of an Order 66 for droids if you will. Really plays on Obi-Wan's line in AOTC: "Well, if droids could think-there'd be none of us here, would there!?"

Too true, Kenobi. Too true...

 

Let's say IX marks the foundation of a new Jedi Order by Rey and Luke. Personally, I don't think that everyone would be welcomed into the galactic fold with open arms, and I see some level of resistance to them. There could be people who still believe that the Jedi are the cause of the downfall of the Republic and believe the propaganda that they betrayed it. This could lead to the formation of a group similar to the Purifiers from the X-Men comics (but with a militantly atheistic bent) who want to purge the galaxy of not just the Jedi, but of all Force-sensitives, and they could have a lot of popular support in the general populace.Their leader could be an evil version of Christopher Hitchens or Sam Harris (both of whom I like BTW, so not hating), a charismatic atheist who believes that belief in Force-based religions is holding the galaxy back from progress with what he considers to be baseless superstition. Maybe he comes from a family who was ousted from power by the Jedi during the later years of the Republic when they acted as it's enforcement/paramilitary arm and doesn't want them to gain that kind of power again. They could become such a big threat that both the new Jedi Order and any remaining dark-siders (such as Kylo Ren if he survives the ST) would have to unite to defeat them. I think that we're long overdue for a major, non Force-based main enemy in the main saga, and this would be what I would go with if Episodes X - XII ever come to fruition.

 

You really need to see The Last Jedi, I'm not going to spoil the ending for you.....

 

I want to see the Yuuzhan Vong after seeing that giant space tentacle monster in Solo. It was weird, mysterious and scary and we'd never really seen anything like it on screen in Star Wars.

 

I was hoping that KOTOR III/SWTOR would reveal that the "true Sith" mentioned in KOTOR II were the power behind the Rakata. There were theories about the "true Sith" being the "Dark Lords of the Rakata".

 

Yeah, when you go to a bigger threat in the GFFA in the Empire/Sith era timeline, you will always run into a "well why did these super villains wait around and not attack before? What were they waiting for?" You also run the risk of minimizing what happened before with the Sith and Empire. Connecting the new threat as somehow related or being a mastermind of the whole thing is the bigger payoff for the epic scale. Now if you are telling a more intimate, smaller scale, person to person conflict, then you can get away with a smaller threat. But the overall galactic scale story can really only go for bigger and more connected, not an entirely new threat. The timeline just seems to work against the credibility of that. People would just wonder where in the world this new threat was the whole time.

 

The return of the Nightsisters! I'd see that.

FWIW, I think we are STILL building up to the threat in the UR. The FO was just its first manifestation.

 

Good time to bring this post back up

 

I thinks its best to avoid large scale threats after IX, at least for a time. Have smaller threats continue to pop up, from First Order leftovers to other factions taking advantage of a post war galaxy (especially if another Republic isn't created).

Reserve the large enemy factions to the Old Republic eras. So we can continue to have films about a large scale galactic war while giving the post-IX people a break from another baddie faction of huge size.

 

After Ep IX continuity-wise? I have no idea.

But for future movies in general, Darth Bane, Revan & Malak, Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma, Aleema Keto, even. The Mandalorian Wars would make good films. There's a lot there.

The Rakatan are now canon again. It's possible we can get some of these old faces even if Disney currently says otherwise.

 

LOL definitely!!

 

Palpatine was the catalyst.
He prepared for the Ssi-Ruuk, Yuuzhan Vong, and possibly the One's themselves.
The Yuuzhan Vong took advantage of a galaxy weakened by decades of conflict.
Raynar Thul, Lomi Plo and Welk going missing during the Vong War and crash landing in Kilik space set up the next conflict in the Dark Nest Crisis.
Lumiya, a former agent of Palpatine and Vader kickstarted a war that destabilized and turned Jacen Solo because of his time with Vergere and the Yuuzhan Vong.
Jacen tried to change the future to prevent another Dark Sider from sitting on the Throne of Balance.
Unfortunately, by Jacen changing the Future, the countless millennia of war, the destruction of Centerpoint Station and Sinkhole Station, Abeloth was released. Abeloth was imprisoned in the Maw, where Daala was holed up for, for a decade. And the Shelter kids that had Force psychosis were there for a couple years as well.
Also can't forget that Darth Krayt was a former Jedi that went Dark because of Order 66.

Palpatine was just the beginning of a process that spiraled out of control.
Take him out of the equation and the whole thing almost completely unravels.
Just wish that the Yuuzhan Vong had more of a presence after the NJO series and that the Kiliks were more worried about Abeloth earlier.

The Praetorian Guards weapons reminded me of the Ampistaffs at points. So, let's do it.

 

I was thinking about how i would like the Sequel Trilogy to end and what i would like after, and i think that i would be cool if Episode IX ends with somekind of a semi redemption for Kylo, and him not dying but being sent in a space prison (it would be different to what we already had before), and then, in the next trilogy, the Galaxy would be attacked by some outer threat... maybe people of Snoke specie (which could be a good way to tell us his backstory, for exemple he could have been sent to enslave the Galaxy from within, but after his failure, the Snoke people decided to take matters in their own hands) and because these peoples are all force sensitive, and all very powerfull, the whole galaxy, Jedi, former rebels, former first order soldiers and officers have to band together in order to fight the new threat... and they would need Kylo... who could have his redemption/penance arc in this trilogy.
That way it could be a new trilogy with a Skywalker in it but it would not be again a trilogy about the Skywalkers.
What do you think about this?

 

Give me the eternal empire

 

A revival of the Krath Sorcerers would make for excellent baddies. You get a unique use of the Force in the conjurations and illusions, genetic tampering and Dark Alchemy can create all kinds of Lovecraftian terror and it forces Jedi to expand into a more metaphysical use of the Force to stop them as opposed to just swinging lightsabers back and forth (although we would be remiss not to have them do that too...)

 

In light of recent statements from Lucas, the Whills.