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ST Prequel References In The ST

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Juliemcc81, Dec 21, 2019.

  1. bibfortuitous

    bibfortuitous Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Oops
     
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  2. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Hold that
    Hold that thought!

    “Why did she have to die? Why couldn’t I save her? I know I could have “

    Yes Anakin could have. But....he was supposed to bring balance to the Force. However it was his Grandson who through the will of the Force brought Rey to life.

    If Anakin saved his mother from death it is clear he’d have to give up his life. That was not the Will of the Force (the Prophecy therefore would have not come true).

    I believe that’s why Shmi who brought Anakin into the world said she was complete. Anakin rejected this as much as he loved his mother. There was a higher purpose for him according to Shmi who herself may not have known but it was certain he would make her proud. What that was remained to be seen.

    MJ
     
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  3. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    TROS:

    Luke: What are you most afraid of?

    Rey: Myself (that she’s in grave danger of falling to the Darkside. All the more being a Palpatine {Sith})

    ROTS:

    Obi Wan: Padme, I need your help. He's in grave danger

    Padme: From the Sith?

    Obi Wan : From himself . . . Padme, Anakin has turned to the dark side (Obi Wan afraid that Anakin has indeed turned because of Palpatine)

    Bonus: T-R-O-S / R-O-T-S ! :D

    MJ
     
  4. Jo Lucas

    Jo Lucas Jedi Knight star 4

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    I don't understand why people make a big deal out of this. It's a nice concept
     
  5. cratylus

    cratylus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Force healing didn't bother me at all when it appeared in the film. I was actually wondering why they spent two lines of dialogue explaining it. But the two uses that came later necessitated this exposition and the point that it actually drains the healer. It's kind of opposite to the draining power Sidious uses near the end, which presumably only works on dyad synergy. Anyway, I think it is clear that Rey gained this power by reading the ancient Jedi texts and working with Leia. Maybe she even introduced some of her own creativity to weild the power of the Force in a new way. But I lean toward the books. And the brink of death kind of healing might require a dyad connection, In any case, it's clearly intended to have metaphoric significance and to "rhyme" with the prequel trilogy.
     
  6. cratylus

    cratylus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    No one's mentioned Luke's concerns about the Jedi Order here, where he specifically critiques their handling of the revelation of the Sith and the training of the Chosen One. He doesn't use these words, but he addresses both issues. Clearly it won't work to simply go back to how the Jedi Order was before it fell. And of course, the problem relates to the Sith alchemy that is revealed later. But Rey's new blade (to me anyway) signifies that as the heir to Luke Skywalker, she WILL reinvent the Jedi Order and create a new thing for the future. So this relates to the prequels, because as Yoda said they were too sure of themselves. And he tells Luke in TLJ that failure was an important lesson to pass on to Rey. So this in itself is corrective--the middle ST film addressing an issue in the middle PT film. The new Jedi Order will not be overconfident, and will learn from the Old Jedi Order's mistakes.
     
  7. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Rey: I need to finish what Luke started.
    Leia: No.
    Rey: I don't want to go without your blessings, but I will. That's what you would do.
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    Yoda: But agree to take this boy as your padawan learner, I do not.
    Obi Wan: Master Yoda, I gave Qui Gon my word, I will train Anakin. Without the approval of the Council, if I must.
    Yoda : Qui Gon's defiance I sense in you.

    To me I find there is a link in the above exchanges. A sort of "mini Council" meeting from the future of the Jedi survival and the past peak of the Jedi before their demise. Between Young and Old generations Jedi disagreement.

    Rey does say interestingly, "to stop what we both know is coming". In TPM Yoda is at unease and Obi Wan decidedly and determined to take that challenge as Rey is.

    MJ
     
  8. Deliveranze

    Deliveranze Force Ghost star 6

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    Kylo Ren pointing his blade at Palpatine in TROS mirrors Anakin pointing his blade at Palpatine in ROTS.
     
  9. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Master star 5

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    I don't know it is mentioned before but he's lightning is blue and not purple.
     
  10. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Master star 4

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    To be fair, EVERYTHING on Exegol is blue.
     
  11. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Master star 4

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    Random thoughts I posted on another forum ( naberriefields.freeforums.net -Prequel fans welcome! ):

    I realize now that Kylo's lightsaber is not just any cross but an inverted one, nowadays most commonly associated with Satanists. Even more interesting, in my memory at least, is that Kylo seems to be holding his saber upside down quite often now, creating a regular cross, and Rey also does the backwards lightsaber trick throughout this movie.

    The necklace that the little pig-nosed hippie alien gives Rey, is none other than a rosary by its design.

    The festival is reminiscent of Mos Espa with the "sweets" 3PO mentions. Episode I vibes all through this movie. Rey slices Kylo's tie fighter wing and sends him tumbling like Sebulba. Preceded by a chase through a canyon like Boonta Eve.

    In TLJ Rey calls Kylo a "murderous snake", ends up healing a snake armored in black, and again Kylo after she murders him.

    D-0's (D-O-G? A cone faced dog, who's been abused?) introduction is not only a repetition of the Force-healing theme when BB-8 charges him, but that touching little moment between him, BB-8 and Rey with the fixIng of the squeaky wheel (OILCAN?? says the tinman) was very much the same beat as Jar Jar and Padme, and sleeping Jar Jar with cold lil Annie and Padme aboard the Naboo cruiser.

    One of the first things that clicked for me after seeing TROS is that Ach-To is OCTO or Episode 8, and Exegol is HEXAGON. The eternal HEX or even the third 6 of order 66 or the placeholder of Episode IX, the inverted sIX.

    The music from the scene where Luke removes Vader's helmet as she ascends the wreckage of Death Star II is preceded by Rey's Force cave-Bespin maze vision where she encounters herself yet again as a Sith where Maul's Sith chattering is heard. She is soon thrusted into an attack on Kylo in the baptismal ocean spray and for the majority of the fight, there is NO MUSIC, like the Podcrace, only it doesnt last too long. It's an inspired moment, especially for a JJ SW film, to let the action and the weight of the plot speak for itself, directly juxtaposed to the heat, fire, and bombast of the choral score that accompanied Anakin and Obi-Wan's Mustafar fight. The ST has more quiet in the storm than the PT, if you can just fathom it for a few moments.

    The kicker in this scene for me, this time, is that after Rey catches Kylo's lightsaber, and before she heals him, is that she deals the killing blow to the "serpent" with Kylo's upside-down inverted-cross hold. The last time we see Kylo's Satanic sword is when it's inverted back at him, and immediately following a blessing by his Holy Mother, resulting in her spiritual daughter, twin-of-her-son, Rey's repentance-and-healing of her has-Ben son.

    The shape of the Exegol enclave *IS* the Jawa sandcrawler, filled with faceless hooded beings. Do with that what you will.
     
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  12. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Be ready....(accept it or not choice is yours)

    AOTC: Surrender and your lives will be spared (Dooku in actuality doing Palpatine’s bidding). As for he Jedi "worthy of recognition in the archives of the Jedi order. Now it is finished. The Jedi will eventually in purpose for the so called "Republic", are dead.

    End of AOTC the Republic (now on behest of a so call emergency effectively are the instigators to its demise. The senators etc watch the unimaginable as the Star Destroyers start up and are deployed throughout the Galaxy.
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    TROS: All worlds surrender or die. (Palpatine’s order) He later says "The Jedi are dead!"

    End of TROS: Star Destroyers start up and deployed to bring the Galaxy to its knees. The Resistance watch the unimaginable.

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    Cheers!

    MJ
     
  13. cratylus

    cratylus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Some cool stuff here. I love it when other people catch things I didn't.
     
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  14. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    It would have been cool if the Sith Eternal was composed of droids instead of humans.
     
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  15. cratylus

    cratylus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Lor San Tekka expresses concern about the balance of the Force at the beginning of The Force Awakens.
     
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  16. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Technically that's just the structure on top. The citadel/enclave is underground.
     
  17. Ubraniff Zalkaz

    Ubraniff Zalkaz Jedi Master star 4

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    Obi-Wan vs Jango Fett in the rain. Luke vs Rey in the rain.
     
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  18. Resistance_Man

    Resistance_Man Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Kylo mentions asking Snoke to consider switching the First Order Army into a clone army after Finn defects.
     
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  19. vaderito

    vaderito Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  20. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Subscription Screaming Service star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    I recently marathoned all the films in one (painful, circulation-crippling) sitting and something that brought clarity to the overall Sith Grand Plan from Episode I all the way through to Episode IX is when Sidious tells the newly baptized Darth Vader, "All the remaining Jedi must be hunted down and killed or there will be civil war without end", that line really becomes an undercurrent to the arc of the ST. Sidious believed that the one source of inspiration that the galaxy would rally behind would be if any Jedi remained to inspire them. I have no idea if Rian or JJ had that line specifically in mind but the concept of Luke "appearing" on Crait and singlehandedly humiliating the First Order, and the entire motivation of someone like Rey choosing to, not only carry on the Jedi tradition, but also carrying on the Skywalker name both rather live or die on that observation by Sidious at the birth of his Empire.

    "Help me, Obi Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope". "May the Force be with us". The Rebellion, itself, were able to do their part in causing "civil war without end" but, their victory hinged upon the fact that "all remaining Jedi..." had not been killed. From Obi Wan being their only hope to Luke using the Force to bring down the Death Star, to the Jedi "returning" when Anakin brought down Sidious' Empire all the way through to Poe telling Rey that she is their best hope out on the battlefield. When Sidious failed to kill every last Jedi, the "civil war without end" led to his defeat and, ultimately, his death.
     
  21. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    I don't think I recalled it after my first viewing but Rey is called the "last hope" ( terminology borrowed from TESB ) both in the opening crawl and later in character dialogue ( Jannah relaying that Babu said it ).
     
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  22. vaderito

    vaderito Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    TLJ had a lot especially Anakin/Padme and Ben/Rey:

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    In both scenes, characters deal with their feelings which has consequences later.


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    Burning ambers in both scenes and like in the fireplace scenes, he reverses the places where characters stand. It's complete mirroring.
     
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  23. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I agree re: the highlighted. I figured this "lifeforce xfer" idea is something all Jedi knew about, but it obviously involves the possibility of giving up your own lifeforce in order to save the other. Basically a more amplified version of the Jedi healing concept, which Rey did to the snake monster thing. Sidious' idea of keeping someone from dying surely involves not giving up anything of your own.
     
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  24. vaderito

    vaderito Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It wasn't will of the force, it was love

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    Love created new powers and saved Rey. Again, notice miroring with how Ben and Rey are placed in opposition to where Anakin and Padme are standing.
     
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  25. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Force Ghost star 4

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    Hm. Interesting!