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ST Prequel References In The ST

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Juliemcc81, Dec 21, 2019.

  1. vaderito

    vaderito Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It's beautiful. IMO, ST works better when mirroring PT than when aping OT.
     
  2. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Force Ghost star 4

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    Agreed! It should've done much more of that and given the story a stronger trilogy-of-trilogies, bookends feel.
     
  3. vaderito

    vaderito Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yep. PT was actually much better base for the story they were trying to tell (minus FO/Resistance noise) but they were too afraid to show it so they drowned it in OT nostalgia noise. But when you filter important stuff, it's a perfect Chiasmus. GL would be proud of those moments.
     
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  4. ScreamingWoman2019

    ScreamingWoman2019 Jedi Knight star 4

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    Not a reference, more like a model; but since the development thread remains locked...Luke saw the darkness growing in Ben at moments during his training. Anakin's training, AOTC junior novel:
    According to Pablo Hidalgo, Luke saw something that suprised him when he looked into Ben's head in the hut. Obi-wan would have been surprised too...but Luke's reaction is more personal.Obi-Wan would not have said 'the end of everyhting I love' about the tusken raiders. Luke reacts a bit like after hearing 'perhaps she will' in ROTJ.
    A man and a woman are heard screaming, and also lightsabers. Maybe Luke knew who those people were. 'You opened yourself to dark dide for a pair of pretty eyes' sounds like Luke talking about himself, much like Kylo's 'your parents threw you away like garbage' is about himself -his POV- and not about Rey.
     
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  5. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    I think it is both. Love and the will of the Force. “So you might say we’re encouraged to love” - Anakin except until he got greedy.
     
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  6. cratylus

    cratylus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Some great new finds here. I'm really enjoying this!
     
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  7. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Chosen One star 9

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    I'm liking this too
     
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  8. vaderito

    vaderito Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So we can say when love is true and selfless (a person knows they are giving their life force to their loved one), the Force empower one to make it possible. or something.
     
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  9. Ubraniff Zalkaz

    Ubraniff Zalkaz Jedi Master star 4

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    The Canto Bight and Kijimi sections seem like they could have been from episodes of TCW.
     
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  10. Resistance_Man

    Resistance_Man Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Bit of an older reference but Anakin's Podrace Flag can be seen above Maz Kanata's Castle in TFA.
     
  11. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Jedi Master star 4

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    That "Love won't save you" line is also referenced in Rose's talk to Finn on the battle of Crait.

    "That's how we're gonna win, not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."
     
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  12. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Force Ghost star 4

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    There were some pod racer flags in the trailer for TFA, but they were all removed in the finished film.
    Apparently, JJ didn't want the scene to be "all about pod racing" :rolleyes:

    ETA: After a double check, I can confirm that Anakin's flag is definitely not in the scene.
     
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  13. vaderito

    vaderito Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Good catch! Rian said he loved the prequels.
     
  14. Vault

    Vault Jedi Master star 1

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    I'm learning a lot from this thread! Great stuff all around. TFA is ripe with nostalgia from the OT but the ST has some nice callbacks to the PT and that's what's nice to see—the entire saga referenced.
     
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  15. Resistance_Man

    Resistance_Man Jedi Padawan star 1

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    What?? I swore I could’ve seen Anankin’s flag in the real movie. Must’ve changed it to something similar, because I atleast saw the same color scheme.
     
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  16. Deliveranze

    Deliveranze Force Ghost star 6

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    They might have been in the trailer, but @Lulu Mars is right. Abrams said right around the time that he had them removed because the scene would be "all about podracing."

    Here it is.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ra...final-cut-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens/amp/
     
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  17. ScreamingWoman2019

    ScreamingWoman2019 Jedi Knight star 4

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  18. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Jedi Master star 4

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    Are there still some podracer flags there? It would make sense if Maz had flags up for the greatest podracers of all time. Anakin only had the one win. I also like how this plays into the wooden Maz in Anakin's room.
     
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  19. Resistance_Man

    Resistance_Man Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Yeah, I thought I heard there were some other flags up there too like Sebulba and Ben Quadrenaros, were those removed too?
     
  20. MarcJordan

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    When the one of the Knights of Ren Ap’leks slams his Vibro-Ax on the floor during the reconstruction of Ren’s mask scene. This reminiscent of the Magna Guards watching Obi Wan at Utapau who does similarly menacingly with his electro-spear (flanked by two battle droids) seen at one of the upper levels of Utapau city.

    MJ
     
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  21. Resistance_Man

    Resistance_Man Jedi Padawan star 1

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    You can see a podracing engine in Unkar Plutt's Junk Yard. Hopefully this one wasn't removed lol!
     
  22. vaderito

    vaderito Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  23. Ubraniff Zalkaz

    Ubraniff Zalkaz Jedi Master star 4

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    Anakin kneeling before Palpatine in ROTS. Kylo kneeling before Snoke in TLJ.
     
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  24. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes! I’ve posted a whole examination (gave me a head ache doing it:p) of the scenes in question. Unfortunately can’t seem to find it now. In short I think RJ had purposely made a juxtaposition with how Snoke initiates an opposite reaction to Kylo’s “wanting to please Snoke by the murder of Han and that he did it to give up all he held dear to learn more of the Darkside to solve his attachments” - “I’ve given up everything I had for you “.

    In ROTS it is Anakin who “pledges himself” as well but for totally the wrong reason . Not for the Darkside but to save Padme.

    Kylo kills his loving father for the DS while Anakin wants no harm on Padme to keep her alive and to achieve it through DS.

    Also while Kylo kneels Snoke is disappointed that he expected a “New Vader” whereas while Anakin kneels Sidious/Palpatine newly knights him as Darth Vader.

    In TLJ Kylo is also forced to remove his mask, while Anakin later is “forced” to wear one. Which is interesting that Kylo “spirit was split to the bone “ Snoke sees right through . Basically his problem is exposed by his seen face while Anakin in the suit one can’t see his burned up features and suffering hidden by the suit.

    Just a few from my initial but lost post which had pics too. Ah well.

    MJ
     
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  25. Ubraniff Zalkaz

    Ubraniff Zalkaz Jedi Master star 4

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    Padme: All mentors have a way of seeing more of our faults than we would like. It's the only way we grow.

    Kylo: Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. That's the only way to become what you are meant to be.
     
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