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Discussion in 'Community' started by wild_karrde, Jul 10, 2001.

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  1. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Time-Traveling F&G Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    That would be nice.
     
  2. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    He was good in his last TNA story with Sanada. He's slow as hell now but still moves like he's powerful and has great psychology.
     
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  3. DarthMane2

    DarthMane2 Force Ghost star 5

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    A few heads of NJPW were at NXT: Takeover, as was Nakamura(who was in town since he's been working with ROH). They were there because of Liger, but perhaps some talks about the future happened between them an Vince or HHH.
     
  4. DarthMane2

    DarthMane2 Force Ghost star 5

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    Lance Storm's thoughts on the Divas revolution


    "Before I get into my thoughts on what they are doing let me first state that I am a big fan and supporter of women's wrestling and have a great deal of respect for many of the women involved in the "Divas revolution". For the most part I think the Divas Revolution is being screwed and unless they change the way it is being presented it will fail, or at least not succeed to the level it could or more importantly should. To fully understand why you have to look at how the women are presented in NXT and how that enabled them to get over to the level that they did, and then look at how they are being presented in WWE and consider if that will also allow them to get over to that same level.
    In NXT they are women wrestlers, they are competing for the NXT Women's Championship; a title belt that looks credible (actually better than the Men's Title in my opinion) and therefore can be respected. We were never told that the women were going to be taken seriously or that they were going to have good matches and be respected. They were just presented on the show in a respectable light, allowed to focus on competing to be a champion, and given enough time to do a good job if they were able. The women worked hard, had good matches, were given good angles, and fans started to care, and they got over. It was in a sense Organic.
    In WWE the women are "Divas" a term when used in any other industry is a derogatory term referring to stuck up bitchy women. They compete (occasionally) for the Diva's Title, which is a purple belt with a butterfly on it. At best this looks like a Barbie toy belt and at worst it's derogatory and offensive because of the female sexual euphemism for butterfly. The women in WWE need a new title belt to compete for and in all honesty it needs to be renamed the WWE Women's World Title.
    Furthermore coming out and telling us there is a Diva's Revolution and the women are going to be good and important now, was a big mistake. Don't tell us it's going to be good, just let it be good and we will come to that conclusion all on our own, like we did with NXT. Also in NXT each woman was given her turn to be focused on and chase the title. This allowed us to get behind them and follow their journey and struggle, while keeping the focus on becoming Champion. In WWE we are getting 3 groups of 3, which makes it near impossible to focus on the women individually and form an attachment to any of them and it has completely removed the focus on the title and being a champion.
    In NXT the women got over one at a time. Paige won the first NXT Women's Title Tournament in a really good match with Emma, which started the ball rolling. When Paige got called up, she was stripped of the title and another tournament was held. Charlotte won this tournament in an awesome match with Nattie, to set her up and get her over. Sasha was then pushed and focused on and she got over, with Becky in a secondary role. Baylee was used to get Charlotte and Sasha over while building her own underdog status. Becky then got the focus and the push and she got over huge even in losing her title challenge (an amazing accomplishment). The long slow build was then finally paid off with Baylee in Brooklyn and we all saw what a great reaction she got winning the title.
    Since the start of the Diva's revolution on RAW the title has not been the focus at all. PCB are faces, Team BAD are heels, and Team Bella float back and forth. All are getting wins and losses, no one is moving forwards or backwards and no individual is getting focus on directly. We are constantly being told it's a new era, but to be honest we are just getting slightly longer, slightly better matches, with a few new faces.
    When the crowd on RAW in Brooklyn turned on the women's match it wasn't the fault of the crowd nor the fault of the women, it was the way it was presented. In the promo to set up the match Nikki Bella actually said that wins and losses didn't matter and that these muti-diva matches are pointless. She said the only thing that mattered was the Diva's Title and how she will soon be the longest reigning Diva's Champ of all time. How can anyone be surprised or angry that the crowd gave up on the match that followed when they were flat out told before it started that it didn't matter? Furthermore how can we care about Nikki's long title reign when I doubt anyone even remember the last time she defended it?
    I do remember both Sasha and Charlotte making Nikki tap out to win tag matches, a fact that wasn't focus on, nor did it earn them a title match. To get this thing over you have to completely overhaul the way in which it is presented, like they did in NXT. You must focus on each woman in turn with a constant focus on the Championship. Unfortunately because they also have to focus on and promote Total Divas, they have to focus on a large group of women, in particularly the Bellas, so this may be impossible. The Bellas have improved a ton over the last couple years and they are more than capable of having good matches, but in my opinion as long as they are being focused on, this will never feel new."
     
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  5. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Hear, ****ing hear.

    Somebody copy and paste that so I can like it again.
     
  6. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Time-Traveling F&G Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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  7. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    lol ta
     
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  8. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Time-Traveling F&G Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    You're welcome.:)
     
  9. JediMaster1511

    JediMaster1511 Jedi Grand Master star 10

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  10. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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  11. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Yeah, it'd be nice if the WWE belt was placed around the waist of Sting.

     
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  12. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    the huckster now says he wants to run with Donald Trump. :rolleyes:


    also, i wonder how much extra the diva's make for Total Diva's
     
  13. DarthMane2

    DarthMane2 Force Ghost star 5

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    Looks like Liger will be working a few more dates for WWE. And Liger has said that he will be glad to work with WWE for as long as NJPW allows him too. The more legends and/or experienced guys like Joe the youngers guys have to work with the better they'll become.



    I miss that realism.
     
  14. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Great, great ending to a really slow RAW tonight.

    Where we're going after Night of Champions looks pretty clear..

    WWE WC - Sheamus, WWE USC - Cena, Rollins returns to the Shield after being stabbed in the back by Authority and evens the odds against the Wyatts.
     
  15. JediMaster1511

    JediMaster1511 Jedi Grand Master star 10

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    Not relevant to anything, but I had to share this moment.

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  16. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    If Rollins returns to the shield I think that would weaken Roman, Ambrose, Rollins and HHH (not to mention WWE creative). I think WWE have invested heavily in Rolins and so far not gone too badly wrong with him (a few shakes along the way but he's had better booking than Lesnar recently). He's a good heel, people hate him, he's 'beatable'... I've not seen the latest couple of Raws but I don't recall seeing him do anything that suggests he's uncomfortable with the heel life, or the with way the Authority operates.
     
  17. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    As a fan i do not wish to see Sting used as a work for Rollins. Not that I dislike Rollins. His character is great. But Put that damned strap around Sting's waist.
     
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  18. DarthMane2

    DarthMane2 Force Ghost star 5

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    I for one think it's a good idea. Sting as champ for a day or month would be great TV. The whole idea just being that nobody would ever think to see that belt around his waste, and that's all the story you need. Rollins wouldn't be hurt by it, especially if Cena cost him the title. Plus be the best way possible to make up for him having to job to HHH.

    He can lose it in a steel cage either against Rollins or both Rollins and Cena at the following PPV. With Rollins winning the belt back either way.

    Point is, Sting is a property, and they need to use him well. One of the reasons he never wanted to go to WWE was because of how he saw them use former WCW talent. I definitely don't want to see him lose another one. Who knows, maybe it's in his contract that he gets a title run. If he does win I don't see Sheamus cashing in on him like some seem to think.


    Snuka is apparently going to jail for killing his old girlfriend. He'll die of stomach cancer before he sees a trial.
     
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  19. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    that's pretty shocking.

    but will Rollins lose twice in one night? lose the U.S. title but retain against Sting? or the opposite? i could see it going either way. most likely he loses one of the matches , but not both. i could see Sting having the belt for a month. I could see a swerve of some kind too.
     
  20. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Rollins won't beat Cena twice in a row. I'm fairly confident of that.
     
  21. LloydChristmas

    LloydChristmas Baseball and Three-Time Jedi Draft Champion star 5 VIP - Game Winner

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    DAMN I'd love if Sting got the title
     
  22. JediMaster1511

    JediMaster1511 Jedi Grand Master star 10

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    I would okay with a SHIELD reunion, but I think they'd have to do a lot more with it than just Rollins/Ambrose/Reigns. The obvious problem, as V-2 pointed out, is it does weaken Reigns and Ambrose, but I think that can be remedied easily actually. Since they seem to be willing to expand The Wyatt Family, then expand the SHIELD as well. I'd have Neville join and really he's not doing much else, I think he'd fit in quite well with them. Maybe even Cesaro. I think they could play it out having Sting join, or have some sort of loose affiliation somewhere down the line, then it can make Rollins/Reigns/Ambrose not look weak, especially if Sting is champ or feuding for the title.

    Or they can go back to the way of SHIELD united and they don't care who holds the world title so long as they have it, sort of like the Motorcity Machineguns did in TNA with the X-Division title all those years ago.
     
  23. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Assuming that Rowan rejoins the Wyatts, I'd like to see Rollins head back to the Shield, and then Ryback, who can take on that massive fellow who seems to be invincible at the moment.
     
  24. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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  25. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    good heavens John Laurinitis is marrying the Bella twins mother
     
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