Problems with fueding between EU and Non-EU Supporters on Film forum

Right on Darth Aybabtu.


Here's another great quote for all you guys:

JediMasterAaron, I just made a post in the thread you linked to, clarifying the current TOS regarding EU/canon for Spike, who apparently thought that the rules didn't apply to him.

-Syntax...talking about your humble bounty hunter and narrator...

It's great too see I've been singled out in the EUDF. What an honor.

I see people have been taking arrogance lessons from BFT.


To see this and that other qoute go here :

http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=6800929&page=27


Well Jediguy, like the Police song says, "Truth Hits Everybody".

 

I am a purist... does that mean you consider me one of the ravening pack of wolves ???

flaming, you say? trolling, perhaps??


and one thing about the GL/LFL debate no one has yet even mentioned... If George Lucas has licensed LFL to decide what is, and what is not canon, then why does he continually contradict the EU in the movies???


makes one wonder, huh?

 

"It would also clear up alot [sic] of debates before they start."

Damn, that's a dangerous attitude to have. Remind me to never vote you into public office.

AYBABTU?

 

"It would also clear up alot of debates before they start."


So does censorship.

 

then why does he continually contradict the EU in the movies???

Really, like when? Fixes for everything have been provided, mostly in the New Essential Guide to Characters, and officially licensed LFL product.


makes one wonder, huh?

? Not me. You, perhaps.

Remind me to never vote you into public office.

Considered yourself reminded.

JMA

EDIT:

So does censorship.

*rolls eyes*

Because that's exactly what this is.

JMA

 

Enough with the purist bashing. Next time I see someone purist bashing in here, a short ban will be handed out. That goes both ways; Completest bashing is equally not allowed.



It would also clear up alot of debates before they start.

Saying that we can't mention the EU at all outside the EU forums would also prevent a lot of debates before they start. As abhorrent that policy would be to EU fans like us, a ?The EU is canon everywhere, no questions asked? policy would be equally abhorrent to purists.

Right now, we?re at a fairly happy medium. Is our current situation perfect? Hardly. There?s always room for improvement. But things have achieved a balance of sorts.

 

"It would also clear up alot [sic] of debates before they start."

At least this proves one thing -- the EUDF doesn't seem to be very interested in hearing anyone else's opinion on things, and they sure don't care whose enjoyment of this place they trample upon. Is anyone taking notes?

AYBABTU?

 

It would also clear up alot of debates before they start.

so would the suggestion made a few days ago by someone that anyone who said something negative about AotC should be banned

 

Well just look at my sig, AYBABTU, it seems your right. At least according to Syntax.

 

At least this proves one thing -- the EUDF doesn't seem to be very interested in hearing anyone else's opinion on things, and they sure don't care who's enjoyment of this place they trample upon. Is anyone taking notes?

? We're not doing that at all.

Look, I'm not saying that you have to go out and read and accept the EU. And any time you want to have an intelligent discussion about anything, EU or movies, or EU AND movies, I'm all for it. But frankly, you purists haven't shown anything like that. Actually, that's not true. You, and EmpressPalpatine, have been civil on occasion.

As to trampling on enjoyment, all I can say is...riiiiiiiiiiight. And it isn't when a lonely EUer wants to wander into the movie forums for some discussions on the films that started his/her love for Star Wars, and is promptly run out of town because he states something that has ANYTHING to do with the EU? Right, that's not trampling on ANYONE's enjoyment, because it keeps the purists happy.

JMA


EDIT:

I deleted that post. You're right, it was a bad idea and a stupid thing to say. I'm sorry about that.

JMA

 

the EUDF doesn't seem to be very interested in hearing anyone else's opinion on things, and they sure don't care who's enjoyment of this place they trample upon

Stop generalising.

 

"But things have achieved a balance of sorts."

Balance in the sense that we have underage EUDF members saying that they are working with the Administration to not allow us to have opinions?

People that seem to get away with trolling other people's opinions because they don't seem to have the same ones?

Please tell me how you've reached this "balance", Gandolf.

I'd love to hear it.

 

*sighs*

Forget it. I'm done with this, because it isn't going anywhere. You purists are entitled to your own opinion, and it was wrong of me to come off as if I wanted to rob you of it. I just want EUers to feel welcome in the PSA, that's all. I don't know how long it's been since I was involved in a conversation there, mainly because I feel like a sheep in a lions den. So again, I apologize if I seemed I was pro-censorship, because I certainly am not that. You guys think what you want. I just want to be allowed to do the same.

JMA

 

Spike, I don?t think you were here a year ago, in the grand ole days of the Canon Wars. Those were the forum and message board spanning wars that spawned the EUDF and Soulofthejedi.net. Any sort of mention of the EU in the movie forums resulted in flaming. Compared to the Canon Wars of days past, this is a brushfire. Older members might remember Lord Bane flaming purists, getting banned, and then coming back with a sock for more. They might remember threads that went on for hundreds of posts, got locked, and then were restarted to go on for hundreds more posts.

The problems we have now are centering on a very small group of people. The problems we had then involved a gaggle of Mods, a swath of forum regulars, and a generous portion of opinionated newbie?s.

Compared to what relations were like back then, that so few people are getting their mouse cords in a tangle over the issue in remarkable.

 

The following is a statement from the Command Crew of the EUDF :


The EUDF as a whole DOES NOT endorse the statements made by Syntax and Jedi Master Aaron in this thread. They were posting in a " civilian capacity, " if you will, and their opinions in no way reflect those of the Comman Crew or the EUDF as a whole. Thank you.


DVader316,
Vice Admiral, EUDF

 

From the desk of PreacherBoy

Gandolf, I don't think you were here 4 years ago, when all Star Wars fans got along with each other and the main concern wasn't to compete on who had the best understanding of Star Wars. Today there is nothing but crap political parties that don't have any regard for this place, that should be nothing but the fun...not at the expense of others.

 

If the EU contradicts the movies in ways that are not debatable, i.e (Anakin=Vader), then the EU author should swallow some pride and change it. If the EU contradicts the movies in a way that is debateable, i.e (Boba Fett's questionable death) then just let it go. There are valid arguments to be made on both sides, but the intensity of the war makes me cringe.

This is the type of opinion we need more of.

*shakes salty_yoda's hand*

This is Gandolf's happy medium.

JMA

 

Gandolf is right. A year ago, there were numerous threads of hundreds of posts, where armies of purists and EUers did nothing but toss insults back and forth. Right now, that's been reduced to a few members on each side. While we could hope for better, and attempt to recreate the JC as it was four years ago, that seemingly utopian message board environment resulted primarily from a lower number of members and lack of existing alliances, not from any particular difference administrative policy.

We've been arguing for three years about canon policy, and no definitive conclusion has been reached. I doubt that we'll ever reach a conclusion solid enough to base administrative policy on. Just let people believe what they choose to, allow EU-related posts as long as they're not presented as the sole answer to a question, and recognize that repeated declarations on the canonity or quality of the EU will quickly drive threads off-topic. Leaders of the EUDF and purists have agreed to this; it needs only to be enforced.

 

it seems one of the major points of contention here is being ignored, or lost in the shuffle.. Many of us frequent the movie forums to discuss the movies. Not how the EU could be worked into the movies, but the films themselves. Nothing derails an interesting thread faster than someone coming in offering an EU solution to a question posed by the movies. It usually degenerates into an EU/Canon flmae war, and the initial discussion is lost. Many of us frequent the movie forums because we love the story GL has given us, NOT the stories that various other authors have created in their version of the SW Universe.

Why is it so wrong to want to keep the movie forums strictly about the movies? Why can't EU people engage in discussions and speculation about the movies, based solely on the movies, without having to interject what opinions and answers the EU might have to offer?

Syntax seems to want to make LFL's policies on canon the policies for the JC. We have no problem with that, EXCEPT in regards to the movie forums. The mere fact that someone so disregards the opinions of others, in his desire to see his beliefs forced upon the rest of us is wrong. Can anyone say "Torquemada"?

Many of us do not read, nor do we care what the EU has to say about events or characters not in the movies. To us, the movies stand alone. We're here because we love the films, the characters and events portrayed on screen ( Jar Jar excepted, of course }

If the EU people want to have a movie discussion involving EU elements, let them have a thread in the Lit section - sort of a "EU as it applies to the Movies" thread - keeping the film forums for the film fans. That way, both sides would be happy.

 

Actually, can't the EU/movies relation be discussed in the EU? It should be possible.

Either way I look forward to more EU-Canon debates. They're fun and keep this place alive. Especially when all the EU-ists are sent packing.

 

EP, if you don't like EU discussion in the movie forums, just ignore it. It's not that hard to do.

 

The fact of the matter is,

Whenever a discussion arises about continuity problems, and how AoTC has OBVIOUSLY cracked open a few EU claims, Bib or someone like him pops up and begins letting loose their typing hands.

We end up with horrendous amounts of demagogy.

I have no idea how to solve that matter, but I do concur that it is definitely a problem.

--O.W.

 

"EP, if you don't like EU discussion in the movie forums, just ignore it. It's not that hard to do."

ANd yet you cannot. Rather than state your case and leave it there, you have to reiterate it time and again. If it's so easy, I suggest you follow your own advice.

 

Bib, EU discussion should be in EU forums. Feel free to make mention of the EU answer on the Movie forums, but Movie forums are not the place to discuss the EU.

EUers. No stating that EU is canon or the ONLY correct solution to a question. You may present an EU answer as an answer, but not the "right" answer. You may know everything about what goes on in the EU, but some people have never heard of it. They may be looking for a number of different theories on an answer, and to present yours as the absolute, is the wrong way to do things.
-from Please Read: Rules on the Usage of EU in this forum.

This has been the policy for over two months now. If you want to discuss the EU, do it in a EU forum; it?s not hard to do.