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The Mandalorian Project Necromancer

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Jedi Knight Fett, Feb 21, 2024.

  1. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I’ve been thinking Filoni might play with the line between science and magic and make it so that the Empire and all its scientists never really figure out how to imbue midiclorians and the Force into Clone bodies... but that simply creating life over and over again will eventually lead to one getting the Force sensitivity you’re looking for, and that Palpatine can “hijack” a Force Sensitive Clone of himself, but in an unnatural way (thus the rotting).

    And if you wanted to be extra creepy, maybe you have to allow the clone to gain consciousness and it’s own identity before the midis and Force show up... and then override that personality with your “possession,” effectively committing a sacrifice to come back to a ruined and doomed body.

    There’s got a be a reason why Palpatine’s scientists allowed a clone to become an ambulatory and sentient being, after all.
     
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  2. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Maybe. But all I can think of is how colossal a waste of time all this attention to cloning has been. Interesting political developments get short shrift because we have to spend time explaining mad science BS.
     
  3. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    To be fair I think the bad batch was always specifically designed for this. The bad batch would have started early development in 2019 maybe very late 2018. I wouldn’t at all be shocked if TBB was always created to explain in part or in whole “somehow palpatine returned”

    but the bad batch can do that more naturally as the show is inherently about cloning where’s Mando has just slowly and surely lost more and more of what made it great. But I think that’s more to do with other factors than Project necromancer being brought up once
     
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  4. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    Yes, there is the mechanical plot aspect of making it fit together with concepts in the Sequel Trilogy and presumably whatever Filoni’s doing in the New Republic era…but I think the cloning science we’re seeing in this series serves as another real world parallels between the Empire and the Third Reich and other fascist states. It’s no secret that the Nazis were interested in eugenics and human experimentation, and there are some striking parallels to the systemic organ farming that happened in certain parts of China during the 80s and 90s. It all feeds into Star Wars greater condemnation of authoritarianism and the inhumanity of it.
     
  5. TaradosGon

    TaradosGon Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I suspect that the climax here is that the Bad Batch will thwart what Palaptine had going on Tantiss and set him back. Which IMO is lame, if that's really going to be it.

    Cloning would easily have applications outside of merely providing clone bodies for Palpatine. I mean, in TCW and Rebels, there was the kidnapping of Force Sensitive children, and at least in TCW it was ostensibly so that Palpatine could train an army of Force sensitive spies. Unless they are retconning that so the kids are all going to be Project Necromancer test subjects, it seemed like Palpatine had other uses for Force Sensitive subjects. He also has Inquisitors running around for him as well. He has a physically crippled apprentice.

    It seemed like the test subjects on Tantiss were all/mostly Jango clones. And tests were continuously run on the same subjects again and again.

    I’m not sure what Gideon’s age is supposed to be. 60? And had had clones as old as him. Even with age acceleration, I find it unlikely he had himself cloned 30 years prior. This seems more like the Spaarti clone concept from Legends.

    Palpatine’s goal could be as simple as being disappointed in the stormtroopers and wanting to create another clone army but not wanting to wait another 10 years for it to be serviceable, and midichlorians are necessary to withstand a hyper accelerated aging process.

    I wouldn't mind it if Project Necromancer had some application that is much more immediate and relevant to right now in the timeline, not something with a payoff so far down the line.
     
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  6. Bibliora

    Bibliora Jedi Knight star 4

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    I did just read an article/fan rant, that Project N is where Snoke comes from. Is there material to support this, as sadly I've not read every book or comic. I doubted this at first read because we know the remnants are still working on Project N after Snoke's death.
     
  7. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    I always say see how things play out. I’ll actually judge something when it’s complete. Any predictions I make are usually just wild and shots in the dark that even I don’t take seriously.
     
  8. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    This project involves kids
     
  9. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    This is probably linked to project harvester.
     
  10. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Hemlock mentions their importance to Necromancer
     
  11. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Yep and I was saying Project harvester as seen in rebels was probably because of that search for force sensitive kids
     
  12. darth_of_denmark

    darth_of_denmark Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Well Whatever Project Necromancer is, Palpy makes use of his Force sensitive cloning project when he get's yeeted in ROTJ as he successfully transfer to a body on Exogol.

    But the Imperial Remnant still talk about Project Necromancer as something that is yet to be working in Mandalorian Season 3 but that conversation happens like 5-7 years after Palpy made the jump. Curious!
     
  13. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    One week we will find out more about project Necromancer stuff.
     
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  14. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Force Ghost star 5

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    I've started seeing it this way as well. It's obvious what they're doing is trying to explain the "somehow" part of 'somehow palpatine returned.' And that's all good and fine. Unless there's some big reveal coming that they're working toward (which I can't imagine what that would be, now that Gideon is dead, his scientist has defected to the new republic, Bad Batch has come to it's last season IIRC, and it doesn't look like Mandalorian, BOBF or Ahsoka will be pursuing that thread further) that will eventually cause their whole plan to come to fruition. What I've started to think lately is that this is actually MEANT to be an unfulfilled effort that the Empire has been pursuing for years-their attempts at imbuing clones with Force powers-and eventually the ability to do so for Palpatine himself. My guess is they never really get there, judging by the decrepit nature of Palpatine as we see him in TROS.

    I actually kind of LIKE that it's seemingly a failing endeavor. It kind of shows that trying to preserve life in unnatural ways will not succeed, as if the Force "won't allow" such a thing to be achieved using the Darkside. I don't know if that's really where they're going with this, but I like the idea of the Empire constantly using dark science trying and failing to achieve something that only the light side of the Force is able to do.
     
  15. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    Seems like Zillo Beast's clone is going to destroy Palpatine's early clones, thus by avenging the original Zillo.
     
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  16. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Where there’s a Zill…o, there’s a way.

    *runs away fast*
     
  17. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    A clone killing clones @};-
     
  18. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    To be honest this show feels quite inconsequential in bigger picture of things. It's nice to see some stuff from this era but plot is just repeating itself too much.
     
  19. CrazyOldJedi

    CrazyOldJedi Chosen One star 6

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    Going the same way as the other franchise. Too big and too complicated. Too many people have had significant input without any control which has led to others spending far too much time papering over the cracks.
     
  20. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Knight star 4

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    I wonder if Project Necromancer would play a role in Rey New Jedi Order movie or will only be used in New Republic era
     
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  21. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Only used in New Republic era.
     
  22. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Force Ghost star 5

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    My thought is that the whole idea was only derived as a way to explain the whole "somehow Palpatine returned," and give some validity to that plot point. I personally don't think it was meant to be more than that really.
     
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  23. DarthTalgus

    DarthTalgus Force Ghost star 4

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    So like was Project Necromancer even related to TROS? This finale has me a bit confused since Palps clones are never brought up even once. What was the point of that room with the ur-kittat runes in episode 3? what was in those tanks
     
  24. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Yes its the same. Project Necromancer, but all data was lost. So it got postponed and they are still working on it in New Republic era.
     
  25. Force Nexus

    Force Nexus Jedi Master star 4

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    The point was to waste our time.