PROOF: Palpatine IS NOT Sidious. (lengthy proof)

Why why why why do people still argue that these two people aren't the same person when the prequel movies continue to draw lines between them?

You can clearly tell that Ian McDiarmid by his chin. It is the same chin and same lips, only palpatine is played with a relaxed face or worried face, and sidious is played with a snarl, flaring his nostrils and pursing his lips to appear slightly different.

 

In one of the books - The Making of Phantom Menace, I think - is a scan of the first-day's call sheet (maybe someone has it and can post it).

The first shot they filmed was the bit with Maul and Sidious on the balcony and, as I recall, the description clearly said it was PALPATINE'S BALCONY...it might have said CORUSCANT BALCONY, but I think it was Palpatine.

Either way, Lucas must be reading these posts and laughing about all the over-thinking going on. Obviously it's the same balcony, obviously it's the same guy.

I mean, Sidious and Palpatine are played by the same actor. How many powerful guys with chin-dimples can there be in the galaxy?

I saw AOTC with my 8 year-old cousin and in the first scene with Palpatine, he knew that dude was a bad guy and was wondering how come they didn't know.

Because he's a clone? That's a cop out.

The Dark Side allows him to sit in the same room with Jedi. You don't know how?

Well, how is it possible that he can even be on the same planet as all the Jedi (I'm assuming everyone can agree he's on Coruscant ALL THE TIME), without being detected? Whatever Lucas' answer is, it accounts for both.

If an 8 year-old can put it together, so should y'all. Like Yoda says:
"Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is. Uncluttered. "

Vroomfundle

 

People who doubt the word of Geroge Lucas outside the films, are serious lacking in many areas.

He may not be canon, but he's the creator of Star Wars and would know if they are two seperate people. Go back and read my posts. It shows why they are the same person. He can hide his presense in the Force, fooling even Yoda. Same as Luke couldn't be felt by the Emperor in ROTJ. All the foreshadowing.

1. Sidious is dressed as Emperor Palpatine.

2. Sidious is on the balcony that serves as Palpatine's office.

3. Sidious told Nute that he no longer needed Amidala in TPM.

4. Palpatine smiles at Amidala's call for No Confidence.

5. The camera pans to Palpatine after Mace asks who's dead. The Emperor's theme, which was used for Sidious is used here.

6. Palpatine is looking like crap after 10 years.

7. The Crimson guard in his office and his office is red. Both are symbols of evil in Star Wars.

8. Palpatine speaks and walks like the Emperor when talking to Anakin. Even when the camera switches to a far shot, it looks like Vader and the Emperor did in ROTJ.

9. Palpatine's chair in his office is like the throne in ROTJ.

10. Sidious meets with Tyranus at dawn. Palpatine sees the Clone Army off at dusk.

11. Dooku announces that Sidious controls the Senate.

Also, all these bits of foreshadowing are more than there were in the OT when it came to Anakin=Vader. There were only 2 then. Here's a ton of them.

 

Netslave, just a minor point. You can't seriously believe that they are not the same because it's too obvious they are.
That's the logical equivalent of saying that you don't believe you're about to be run over by a truck because it's too obvious that it's bearing down on you.

 

I AGREE TOTALLY BY LOOKING AT THEM BOTH SIDE BY SIDE THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT PEOPLE THEIR SKIN AND EYES ARE DIFFERENT COLORS THEY SOUND DIFERENT AND THEIR STATS ARE DIFFERENT LOOK HERE TO SEE IF YOUR STILL NOT CONVINCED WELL THATS JUST CHECK HERE

[http://starwars.com/databank/character/darthsidious/eu.html]

[http://starwars.com/databank/character/palpatine/eu.html]

 

Ah, but check out Sidious under the eu section. Note that we see Sidious and he looks older and has blue eyes. More proof of them being the same.

 

Since we are obviously going to continue debating this point, why bother with negative posts?

Someone did bring up a point. Since it is patently obvious that palpatine and the emporer are the same person, then why is GL bothering making them separate in the movies? The original idea is that he was trying to fool the newer viewers, but if its so obvious, then that must not be his goal. So why bother never showing the transformation of palpy to sid(the donning of the robes, so to speak)?

Again, having the same actor play both is not a story issue, but a casting one. It does not discount the clone theory.

 

PALPATINE CANT BE IF NOT IT WOULD BE SO HARD TO GO BACK AND FORTHE PLANET TO SROID CENTERS AND EVERY WHERE AND SINCE YODA IS SO TUNED INTO THE FORCE WHEN HE IS CLOSE TO PALPATINE WOULDNT IT BE OBVIOUS THAT HE WOULD FEEL THE FORCE THAT PALPATINE IS BAD LIKE WHEN HE HEARS JINN YELLING "NO ANAKIN NO" THAT ANAKINS BAD DUHH :S

BY THE WAY ARENT THERE ORIGINALLY 9 REGULAR EPISODES 7 IS SHAWDOWS OF THE EMPIRE AND IF THERE IS WHATS 8 AND 9?? :0
AND PEOPLE ON MATRIX AND N SYNC ARE ON THERE ALONG WITH MANY OTHER FEATURES CHECK WWW.EPISODE-X.COM

 

Take off the caps lock, please.

Yoda was meditating when he heard Qui-gon and felt Anakin's anger. He's not meditating around Palpatine. Also, Palpatine/Sidious couldn't feel Luke and he had no idea how to hide his presense like he had.

Lucas changed his ideas from 9 films to 6 as the narrative is better and tighter. The books are expanded universe and he doesn't include them as part of the story. For him, the six films are the story. For any fan who wants more, they can read the books.

Again, as I said, dramatic tension. It's obvious, but not everyone caught on in TPM. And I'm sure there are still those who don't know after AOTC. They will be surprised in episode 3.

 

"PALPATINE CANT BE IF NOT IT WOULD BE SO HARD TO GO BACK AND FORTHE PLANET TO SROID CENTERS AND EVERY WHERE"

Now I don't want to sound like a jackass, but, if you're trying to get a point across to someone, the best way to do it is to form coherent sentences using real words in the language of the person or persons reading or listening to you. This certainly does not qualify as a coherent sentence.

Now, if you were trying to say that Palpatine could not be Sidious because they reside in different parts of the galaxy - you are wrong. In fact, Sidious is seen twice in person, the rest of the time by hologram. What planet has the real Sidious been found on? Ah, yes, Coruscant. Palpatine never leaves Coruscant (except to go to Naboo once).

The clone theory makes no sense and goes no where to give a reason why the Jedi can't sense the dark side in Palpatine. If you were trying to hide your Force disposition from a group of Jedi, would you create a clone of yourself and stay on the planet, just down the street from the Jedi, or would you leave and go way the hell to the other side of the galaxy? This works for the 'theory' (read: FACT) that Palpatine and Sidious are the same.

 

I absolutely cannot believe that people actually write and think that Palpatine and Sidious are diffrent. This really blows my mind, like others have posted here... get it, understand it: Palpatine is the Emperor, the Emperor is Sidious, he IS Sidious.

Read Return of The Jedi, in the move, Luke says "You failed your highness..." in the book Luke says, "You failed Palpatine..."

So there you have it.

 

Aikidozsu

Read some of the posts. I know there is a lot, but we have been over those points at least a trillion times.

 

First of all im sorry for the lame all caps.

Second you say he only stays on coruscant and naboo then wouldnt he have to go to Kameno to create a clone. And as they say he tells the jedi hes bad wouldnt he go with his clone with Darth Vader while Yoda and Kenobi are the two left jedi in ANH then that would brake the whole balance.

Plus while meditating when Mindu comesin he is no longer than two or three stories while Yoda meditating he is on a different planet

 

Darth_OlsenTwins

That's good, real good.

Now you have a trillion and one points.

 

lol @ Aikidotzu

 

Darth_OlsenTwins now we need jedi Carter to defeat them no offense please. How do you not have the Edit Sign

 

ANAKINSOLO:

You can't argue that they look different. Ian McDiarmid plays both. Yes they may have used makeup, but all the crud in the database is bull. IAN MCDIARMID PLAYS BOTH CHARACTERS...for the love this is a great discussion, but stop it with the database crap...THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON, there aren't two different Ian Mcdiarmids playing roles in Star Wars. Also, everyone argues that Palp looks older in this movie then Sidious does? Did anyone see McDiarmid lately? He looks just like he does in the movie. So the argument that Palpatine aged faster is bunk too. Sorry to bring those up again, but the physical stuff is ignorant guys, its the same guy.

 

Dooku told Obi-wan something about the Sith controlling the Republic from inside.

Sidious is doing the controlling because he is Palpatine.

 

Only the person who is logged in under your name, AnakinSolo, can see the edit feature. Meaning for you, you can see where it says edit. I can only see mine.

The Sith have been in hiding for a thousand years. No Jedi has felt them grow strong in the Force during the training. Darth Bane, founder of the current Sith Order, has found a way to hide their presense. This knowledge has been passed on to all students of his teachings. Darth Sidious, Darth Maul and Darth Tyranus all use it. It is my belief that by controlling their feelings and emotions, they can hide in plain sight. Tyranus was felt as he was drawing on the dark side and his hate, to fight the Jedi. Sidious/Palpatine has mastered this and is why he can hide in front of the Jedi.

 

that doesn bring point about the whole balance in the force

 

GUYS and GALS:

I have been here since page 27...OLSEN, DOOKU, ODIOUS, UNDOMIEL..what's up. My question is a simple one which has been asked, but I never really saw a concrete answer. What does making Palpatine a clone of Sidious really do for the movie? Does it really provide a twist? I mean it may be something different, but what does it do to the story? You see in Arlington Road for example...at the end when that guy screws himself, that is a twist. Having a simple scene in Episode III in which Sidious offs his clone and takes his place and nobody ever knows, but us...is that really a twist to the movie?

 

yes definatley balancing the force is what star wars is about so making a clone means no cell is different so there would be a sith left after Vader throws sidious into the death star core

 

@@ck me you are right he is remember my point of the force your theory of the clone would work because sidious would be alive still or his clone one of them along with luke leaving luke and sidious the only sith and jedi alive bringing force and telling that palpatine is the sith because with out a clone son or sith the balance is broken making palpatine sidious
does anybody know why the jedi dont dissapear like kenobi in the arena and jinn on TPM
Hey can you set the icon as your american online icon

 

Balance means that the Sith are dead. The Jedi and the light side are the balance.

And Maverick has a point about the clone/twin theory.

 

Since I have read this since Page ONE i'll tell any newcomers, have fun, but go back to page one before you post. We have covered much and would love to have new imput from new people, not old imput from new people. READ IT.
As for what it would add...Nothing. That's the problem. The main reason they think Palpy isnt Sidiou is the obvious thing. That and they refuse to belive that what they see is true, cause for them, that ruins the movies. I and most of us here have suspension of disbelife, which is neccesarry for a SPACE FANTASY. So what if Yoda couldn't detect him. If he did, Palpy wouldn't have become Emporer and the OT never happens. Oh, good fun.
Seriously, what all the Ones who think Palpy isn't Sidious, I'll tell you (Again) why it is so obvious to you. (Which shows that you know he is Sidious, by the way)
Because you've seen movies that come AFTER the ones we're seeing now. Of course it's obvious now. If someone had told you Vader was Luke's dad before you ever saw OT, you wouldn't have belived it, but oops, it's true. Don't forget the movies are out of order and the very fact that this debate exists is proof that GL took this into consideration which is why we havent been shown Palpy is Sidious. Cause he want's us to belive that Everyone was fooled, which they were. So thank you. This very debate proves how Insidious Palpitine is.