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PT PT-Theatrical version vs DVD vs BLu Ray Versions

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Pancellor Chalpatine, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    Widescreen shows the full frame of the movies. You'll always have black bars at the top and bottom since the movie's aspect ratio is 2.35:1, instead of 16:9 (widescreen TV) or 4:3 (non-widescreen TV).
     
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  2. Pancellor Chalpatine

    Pancellor Chalpatine Jedi Knight star 3

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    I just want full screen without losing footage. It's dumb honestly.
     
  3. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    That's like asking for a circle to be square. It's impossible. Unless you have a 2.35:1 shaped TV (which there are none of), you won't ever get fullscreen without losing part of the picture.
     
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  4. DBPirate

    DBPirate Jedi Master star 4

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    Blu-Ray is always better. (not sponsored by Sony)

    Alexrd To be fair, he could mean that he would want the entire movie to just fit the screen by shrinking some of the sides. It would look a bit squished, but it's still technically full.
     
  5. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    It would be deformed, which I don't think it's his intent.
     
  6. SlashMan

    SlashMan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I assume this based on the merit of changes, and not the quality itself. While I'm sure there are demented fans out there that would prefer watching the series on worn out VHS tapes, I think we can all agree the general quality of the PT on Blu Ray is excellent.

    I always have a soft spot for the theatrical versions. That being said, the Blu Ray cut of Phantom was the one re-released a few years ago. I'd still slightly edge that out by the original cut of the film (though I do very much enjoy the added scenes).

    There's two theatrical cuts Clones; personally, I'd very much like to see the original film version. I guess mainly just because it's the original, but it seems the second version (the DVD release) is more refined with subtle changes; the only error is that some speeders were removed during the Coruscant chase. I think this was fixed for the Blu ray(?)

    Sith is pretty much the same film. If I had to be nitpicky, I'd say the theatrical version is tops for me (identical to the DVD, with the seemingly accidental omission of a wipe).
     
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  7. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    omg.
     
  8. Pancellor Chalpatine

    Pancellor Chalpatine Jedi Knight star 3

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    What I want is for me to have all the footage but no widescreen. Like get rid of the black bars and make it go cover the entire thing. It's not impossible. just stretch it a bit. honestly the fact people make things other then 4:3 is unbelievably stupid. TV's should have never been changed to 16:9. Now you need a dvd AND a blu ray to watch all your discs the right way, otherwise when I put in DBZ on my blu ray I get black bars on the side.
     
  9. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    Again, impossible.

    Then stretch it and watch the movies deformed. Not sure why one would want to see them that way, but alas...

    What the...?!

    You simply don't know what you're talking about. DVD and Blu-ray are storage formats. 16:9 and 4:3 are aspect ratios. The Star Wars movies have the aspect ratio of 2.35:1, they weren't made fo your 4:3 TV, nor were they made for 16:9 TVs. They were made for cinema, and thus take advantage of a larger and wider frame. Since TVs don't have such a wide frame, black bars are added to fill in the empty space (wether it's top and bottom or left and right). Old TV series made in the 70s, 80s, and 90s have a 4:3 aspect ratio. Recent ones have an aspect ratio of 16:9. That's because they were made for the TVs that existed during the time they were made. It's not the content that should be changed just because you have a TV with a different ratio.
     
  10. Pancellor Chalpatine

    Pancellor Chalpatine Jedi Knight star 3

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    lol sorry but nope.
     
  11. DavidSword79

    DavidSword79 Jedi Knight star 3

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    What do you mean, "nope"? Everything Alexrd wrote is accurate.
     
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  12. Pancellor Chalpatine

    Pancellor Chalpatine Jedi Knight star 3

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    well the biggest thing is that he said about the ratios at the end, it's thanks to those that blue rays are all 16:9 crap. I didn't say blue ray was a aspect ratio, just that it's because of it I have black bars on blu ray. I wasn't wrong he literally corrected something that wasn't said. Also IDK why he said what the to me mocking 16:9. 16:9 is what caused world war 2...and 1...and 4. It skipped 3.
     
  13. DavidSword79

    DavidSword79 Jedi Knight star 3

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    As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about. What tiny portion of it I do understand, I ardently disagree with.
     
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  14. Pancellor Chalpatine

    Pancellor Chalpatine Jedi Knight star 3

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  15. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    What are you even talking about? What does "16:9 crap" even mean? What does that got to do with BD?

    Wrong, again. Blu-rays are one thing. Aspect ratio is another. You have black bars because the aspect ratio of whatever movie or series you're watching is different from your TV.

    I corrected the misinformation and mindless complaint you wrote.
     
  16. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    First off, you don't need both DVD and Blu-Ray to watch a film or a show. You either have one or the other. You don't need to upgrade, but you can choose to. Second, he's not mocking you. He doesn't understand what you're saying, mainly because it doesn't make sense. Televisions used to be smaller once upon a time.

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    Said screens were small and aspect ratio for shows had to conform to that, which wound up more or less being 4:3. But as time and technology has progressed, newer cameras were developed which resulted in newer televisions being made and eventually a change in format. 16:9 was chosen as it best represents the original format of feature films, while also maintaining the look of television series. With 16:9 you get everything.

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    You lose too much in full screen.
     
  17. DavidSword79

    DavidSword79 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yes! Yes! To darth-sinister you listen!
     
  18. Pancellor Chalpatine

    Pancellor Chalpatine Jedi Knight star 3

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    Actually it has nothing to do with the TV, because when I use my dvd I see the ENTIRE thing without black bars-_-
    When I use blue ray I have black bars. It's because the aspect ratio blue ray uses. These are facts.

    You don't lose anything in full screen if it's 4:3 though.

    Movies take away footage because they were made for theatres and are modified from their original version. But on TV shows it's different. For the most part, now a lot of shows went 9:16.

    It's fine if people like 16:9 but I dispise it. It's stupid. Hundreds of my DVD will have black bars on the sides if I put them in my xbone, but on my xbox 360 t's 100% fine.
     
  19. DavidSword79

    DavidSword79 Jedi Knight star 3

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  20. Pancellor Chalpatine

    Pancellor Chalpatine Jedi Knight star 3

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    Relax man, it's okay you're wrong. It's just a conversation. Go meditate with master yoda DavidSword79
     
  21. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Animation like "Dragon Ball Z" or "Transformers: Super God Masterforce" have to be limited to 4:3 because of the nature of animation doesn't allow for a widescreen conversion. Or at least, very well. Older live action shows can be converted, but they'll still look odd. But having the black bars doesn't affect your enjoyment of the product.

    Only if a 4:3 show is converted to 16:9.

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    For instance, "Transformers: The Movie" was animated in 4:3 which was to make it compatible with the show and allow footage from the film to be used in season three. But the theatrical presentation was stretched to 16:9 and later DVD versions were presented that way as well. But an animated show that retains the 4:3 can be and has been released on Blu-Ray without sacrificing picture quality. The black bars are only the side effect of seeing the picture format unaltered.

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    Such is the case with "Highlander: The Series" which is 4:3 and retains its original format without stretching the image in order to fit. But the shows are still the same and nothing is lost in this format.


    Is your complaint about television more than films? You could just watch your shows on your X-Box 360 and be done with it. Nobody told you that you had to upgrade, or just watch it on the newer system. But really, widescreen isn't an issue and you can get used to it over time. I bought the first "Highlander" in 1997, back when the 10th anniversary version had been released. It was in widescreen. Watching that film a lot allowed me to get used to the format and now it isn't even an issue.
     
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  22. DavidSword79

    DavidSword79 Jedi Knight star 3

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    It's always amusing to read someone on the internet telling someone they can't see or hear to "relax". [face_tee_hee]

    A rectangle can't fit into a square without additional spaces existing above and/or below the rectangle. If you can't figure that out then I suggest you revisit your high school geometry book.
     
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  23. Pancellor Chalpatine

    Pancellor Chalpatine Jedi Knight star 3

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    My complaint is about the fact I can't watch blur ray with my 4:3 dvds,which I have many of without the black bars on the sides.

    You said it doesn't stop me from enjoying it, while that's true that's a terrible argument. That's like saying removing the last 30 minutes of the films doesn't stop you from liking what you see. It's a inconvenience that shouldn't happen. Yes I can still enjoy it but it's still dumb. 4:3 isn't "limited" it's better.

    "you can just watch it on you X-box 360 and be done with it" yes but now I have to keep it to watch my dvd's without losing screen. Nobody told me I have to, but if I want all the content on things I like such as TFA soon on blu ray, I have to own a xbone or ps4 or a blu ray of some kind. Disconnect one system which is annoying or lose screensize which is annoying. It's one of the things people hate about the OT 2 disc 2006 sets is you lose a lot of screen.

    Either I lose footage or I lose screen. it's a stupid lose lose situation thanks to a moron who decided to "upgrade" TV's to 16:9.

    It's one of the many reasons people stay with DVD's because there are YEARS worth dvd's made with 4:3 ratio. Blu rays forcing my dvds to have black bars is moronic and stupid. A first world problem yes, but so is things like crappy internet providers messing up your internet and that also deserves complaints.

    Your own comparison of tranformers had a lot more footage on the full screen. I think that people who prefer widescreen for a theatrical experience deserve to have the entire footage on widescreen and I as one who prefers full screen shouldn't lose footage either. I think it's something that should be avoided.

    If I watch my 4:3 dvd's of say DBZ or cow and Chicken I'll lose screen on 16:9 blu ray and on a widescreen TV, but even though it's squished it's still watchable, but the lose of screensize sucks because I payed for X amount of iches why the F@#king F#@K! Do I have to lose a % of what I payed for because the people in charge screwed up?!

    And IF I watch my 4:3 dvds on a 4:3 DVD player on my widescreen TV It'll be full screen without lose of footage. It looks fine scretched out on the wider screen. Doesn't look any different the a classic TV 4:3 ratio. Just wider.

    This shows they can do full screen without footage lost. Just make it fit the entire dang TV! It's not rocket science.
     
  24. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Chosen One star 8

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    If a film is produced in 16:9 aspect, it can't be shown in 4:3 without the black bars, or you lose the edges of the screen.

    I know this firsthand thanks to the DVD of Atlantis: The Lost Empire. The film was made in 16:9 widescreen, but the DVD is shown in 4:3. It misses a lot of info from the edges of the screen, as can be seen in this image:
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  25. Pancellor Chalpatine

    Pancellor Chalpatine Jedi Knight star 3

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    DavidSword79 True, but the way you act condescending/rude proves you're getting way to into this XD it's funny.

    I know a rectangle can't fit into a square, nobody asked that. But a GIANT film screen's footage was modified to fit a tiny TV screen. It's not hard for a widescreen film to be on a TV without losing footage. It's not rocket science. I think you need to apply common sense before you talk down to people, you look ridiculous. Also if you can't act maturely on my thread please leave. You're acting disrespectful and condescending on things you don't even know about, besides being ironic it's also rude. Luckily I find it funny and am not upset, but this is the kind of thing I don't like on this site because I like it being a nice place for people to talk star wars. I'd appreciate you not being rude to people on here and I'm sure the mod won't either.