Reflections of a Traitor- Jacen Solo Discussion Thread-Closing Shop!

"What time is when a AT-AT steps on your chrono?"

I missed that the first time. Too funny!

I'm easily amused. By the way, what's the answer?!

 

JadeSolo:

I could imagine Jacen being a healer. I heard he had a bunch of weird little pets in the YJK. lol! Yes, heard of that.

There was also mention of his affinity with animals in SbS. But mostly, he has that gentle and pacifist nature, so I can see him wanting to heal the effects of war. lol, yes, thank you, glad you agree.

obi_ew:

I can see where that could drive you crazy Targeter. I guess I just see it as a part of his maturation process. The torture he endured would have to change him drastically. I started to like him a lot better after that.

Welcome Padawan Lunetta. Thanks! Other than the Lukie one, this is one of the fist threads of these type I've joined. Probably becuase so many people dislike him and he is viewed so many different ways, it's interesing to see what people come up with.

I can so see Jacen as a healer also. Thanks! *beams*

It will be interesting to see what they do with his character in the new books. I for one can't wait. Same here!

TKeira_Lea:

I'll contribute more...later. When I have read everyone's input. Now that's hardly fair. I likest the way you write him...actually the way Tenel does too, not sure I've ever responded though

JadeSolo:

"What time is when a AT-AT steps on your chrono?"

I missed that the first time. Too funny!

I'm easily amused. By the way, what's the answer?! Time to get a new chrono?

 

Other than the Lukie one, this is one of the fist threads of these type I've joined. Probably becuase so many people dislike him and he is viewed so many different ways, it's interesing to see what people come up with.

I just don't get the degree of the dislike I've seen toward him. I can understand not being fond of certain characters, I have my own everyone knows about, but sometimes it's just way too extreme. He has flaws which in my eyes makes him a very well rounded character rather than a Gary Stu.

Hi TKL! Thanks for popping in and I look forward to your thoughts.

 

That's very true, Obi-ew. He annoyed me but I never hated him, otherwise I never would have tried writing him. I think a lot of it though is poor interpreations of him, be it canon or fanfic. I've had many auhtors make me actually like a character I've hated, simply by reading their own view of them.

Course there ARE, admittedly, characters I don't dare write, for fear of wanting to kill them every few minutes, and ticking off people who like them.

 

Oh, yeah, I can agree with Course there ARE, admittedly, characters I don't dare write, for fear of wanting to kill them every few minutes, and ticking off people who like them., I can think of a couple that fall into that catagory...suppose you could get away with it by having them cloned and then you can think of a dozon ways to kill the clone off - without killing off the actual character!

 

Interesting that you should make Jacen a Healer Luny, because I agree that it is a sort of natural progression for him. In the YJK he was in tune with animals enough that he could understand them up to a point and they would come to him. It's part of his ability to connect with the life forces around him that would make for an excellent healer. I didn't care for the way he was characterized in the NJO.

 

Yeah, I like how you made Jacen into a Healer, luney, it seemed so natural if you go by his YJK Jacen.

*grins* You should see some of the other jokes that he makes in the books. I'll see if I can find the YJK books I have and show you some more of them.

Hmm, so how do you think Jacen would have acted in the rest of the NJO if Anakin hadn't died in SbS and Jacen hadn't been captured?

~Jenn

 

I think he always would've been in Anakin's shadow - Traitor probably wouldn't have happened and he would continue on questioning everything. He probably would've also headed off on some mad spiritual journey and ended up as a hermit like Yoda or Ben Kenobi.

I have all his jokes on the computer if you want 'em. (They're quite amusing. Hehe~)

 

I'd love to see these jokes.

I kind of got the impression after reading the Unifying Force that he was planning on doing some wandering of the galaxy. I hope he does more than just travel aimlessly through nine books.

If Anakin hadn't died and Jacen wasn't tortured? Hum. I agree that he would have continued to be at odds with the rest of the Jedi about the direction they were going. I often wondered what Luke thought about Jacen and his place in the scheme of things. I don't really remember him discussing that he felt Jacen was destined to play a huge role in the war. Did I just miss it?

 

I remember Luke saying a couple things about Jacen...

"I'm more sure than ever that Jacen has a special destiny." - Luke (Destiny's Way)

Although he never really says what it is... if I recall correctly.

"Maybe Jacen's right about there being alternatives to fighting. His coming to it on his own makes it all the more significant. He thinks I've paid too much attention to the Force as a power, at the expense of understanding a more unifying Force. He's young, but he's a deep thinker." - Luke (Agents of Chaos I: Hero's Trial)


As for the jokes...

Jokes! (corny... but we still love 'em!)

 

"Hey, I heard two droids talking the other day. The first said, 'Well, did you beat the Wookie at sabacc?' and the second said, 'Yes, but it cost me an arm and a leg!'"

"Two Gamorrean guards are walking down a narrow, deserted canyon, when suddenly a rancor comes out and starts chasing them. One of the Gamorreans stops to put on his best running shoes. 'Don?t waste time,' shouts the other, 'you can?t outrun a rancor with those!!' 'I don?t have to outrun a rancor,' says the first one as he finishes lacing his shoes, 'I just have to outrun you!'"

Those two are my favorite!

It makes it easier to see why some people don't like the changes he goes through and how he comes out of them. People do change as they mature and have horrific life experiences. It's an unfortunate fact of life. Shouldn't he be admired for surviving them?

 

LMAO! Those are great! Yes indeed, easily amused.

Hmmm, hard to say how Jacen would've turned out. I think Anakin's death made him experience emotional pain like he'd never known, and then the torture under Vergere took care of the physical and somewhat psychological pain. From that, he emerged as the somewhat more mature Jacen. As much as Anakin's death sucked I don't know that you could have one event without the other. Jacen was really just ripped apart and put back together, and without that, I think he still would have been drifting along. Had Anakin not died, he wouldn't have experienced all the range of pains that he did - he might have even been afraid to go that far. He wasn't about to stop using the Force completely - he already knew that was stupid - but he might never have reached that level of understanding that he did with Vergere, just because he wouldn't have allowed himself to be pushed that far.

I think he'll do a little more searching after the NJO, but it won't be just about his path any more. There was this really haunting part near the end of TUF, something about how he reached such a connection to the Force, the kind that he would spend the rest of his life looking for but never again achieve. So I think that, though he'll always be looking for that connection, he'll also be thinking of the rest of the Jedi as well.

WIth the comparisons to Obi-Wan - Anakin Solo went out in a blaze of glory, like a great warrior, and like you'd expect Jaina or Luke or Anakin Skywalker to go out. Jacen, I don't think that kind of death is necessarily him, if that makes any sense. I see him going out like Obi-Wan - sacrificing himself, if that is the situation, but nevertheless in a quiet and graceful way.

edit: People do change as they mature and have horrific life experiences. It's an unfortunate fact of life. Shouldn't he be admired for surviving them?

It seems to me that he did change - A LOT - but he's still somewhat that old Jacen. That is, he doesn't have that completely innocent goofiness, but he's still able to crack a few jokes. Maybe they're not as bad as they used to be, and maybe that's a good thing. At the end of TUF, there's that other comment about how he and Jaina somehow look older. After reading that, I didn't think he should come out of the NJO as the same goofy guy. I'm amazed that he even has a sense of humor, after all he went through.

edit 2: Why am I talking so much? This is weird.

 

WIth the comparisons to Obi-Wan - Anakin Solo went out in a blaze of glory, like a great warrior, and like you'd expect Jaina or Luke or Anakin Skywalker to go out. Jacen, I don't think that kind of death is necessarily him, if that makes any sense. I see him going out like Obi-Wan - sacrificing himself, if that is the situation, but nevertheless in a quiet and graceful way.

That's one thing that really captured my attention in the books. Jacen himself is more than willing to admit that he isn't a great pilot or the best swordsman. Anakin was in my opinion a lot like his grandfather, mirroring Skywalker in his ability to build things and his rushing into the frey style of fighting.

Jacen always reminded me more of Obi-Wan, especially Episode 2 and on Obi. Contemplative and more about finding peaceful alternatives to fighting. Striving to become intune with the Unifying Force.

My head hurts from doing so much thinking.

 

Yeah, I'll bet thinking is a big change for you, isn't it?

Uh oh! Better borrow that Gamorrean's running shoes!

 

Hmm, I also think that Jacen would've just kept on acting like he had before, so in an odd little way, I'm glad SbS happened. (But my poor Anakin!!! )

Hehe, yeah, the jokes do help you kinda see the pre-NJO Jacen... the one who seemed to enjoy life a lot more.

Ooo, nice, obi_ew, very nice. I defintely agree with all that stuff you just said!

~Jenn

 

HaHa Jade!

So would Jacen have fit in better during the heyday of the Old Republic? WOuld he have felt more comfortable with the Code back then?

 

As long as Tenel Ka wasn't there with him.

But yeah, I do think he would've fit in better. I never really saw Jacen as the warrior, that was always Jaina to me with Anakin being the hero boy. From the impression I got of the Old Republic Jedi, it seems that they're more Jacen's style. Peacekeepers, not warriors, etc etc.

~Jenn

 

I'm not sure whether or not Jacen would...admittedly he does seem more older Order at times, (though strangely enough when he was acting up I almost wrote a story of an OR Jedi knocking some sense into him ), and yeah, so long as Tenel Ka wasn't around he might, but would he be the same person without the influences of his parents?

Hmm is this a hint of a challenge?

 

Okay you both mentioned Tenal'Ka. Did I miss something in the books I read? I knew he had passing interests in about two or three woman but was there more to this Tenal'Ka then the others? From the books I read, she had gone off to rule her planet or something and he'd gotten over her. Am I wrong? And we should have a first challenge soon, shouldn't we?

 

obi_ew, it was all but said that Tenel Ka and Jacen were destined to be together in the YJK. In the NJo...after Jacen's lobotomy, they teased something with a scientist named Danni Quee...for about four scenes out of 19 books and then dropped that like a hot potato.

Tenel Ka loves him, and the real Jacen loves her.

 

OE, I think what is likely is that Tenal Ka and Jacen are going to be together about as much as Xanatos lives after Jedi Apprentice 8...

To tell you the truth, I'm not sure who Jacen will end up with or even if he will have anyone to love. Danni and Tenal are the two top contenders but we shall see.

 

OE, I think what is likely is that Tenal Ka and Jacen are going to be together about as much as Xanatos lives after Jedi Apprentice 8...

So then they're destined to be together!

I remember that when Jacen "died," Tenel Ka felt something through the Force, and Jaina realised that she must have loved him. Then she became queen of Hapes, so unless Jacen becomes her royal consort or however they work things over there, I don't think they're going to be together. Dunno, I don't really see Jacen settling down like that, at least not yet. Though I could see him doing a Luke Skywalker and taking 10 years to finally marry the woman he loves.

As far as I could tell, he still loved Tenel Ka, but I don't think he would marry into the Hapan royal family. And the Danni thing might've been just a teenage crush, though she seems to warm up to him a lot later. Hmmm. It's all so confusing!

 

I must admit, that when I see Jacen paired with Danni or Tahiri I want to cry because he and Tenel Ka belong together!!!! *mutters at the NJO authors*

Actually, yeah, I could see Jacen/Tenel Ka being in the Luke/Mara situation. Except TK doesn't want to kill Jacen.

~Jenn

 

I'm not very fond of Tenel Ka (couldn't write her to save my life, kind of like Mara and Jaina, though I try to with Mara)...so what I've done is put him with an OC. *Ducks*

 

Well, not to offend any fans but I for one don't care for Tahiri at all in the books.

obi_ew, it was all but said that Tenel Ka and Jacen were destined to be together in the YJK.

I'll play devils advocate since I haven't read the books. Aren't they very young in that series? Like children to pre-teen? Isn't it possible that was a childhood-teenage crush type thing that both outgrew as they matured, spent time apart and endured personal changes?

Lunetta I don't blame you at all for taking the OC route. I'm a huge lover of writing and creating OC's myself. I tend to just have a character dead in my fics if it's one I have difficulty writing. Case in point-Jinn.