Retcon: Luke Skywalker and Shimmra's Poison and the Death of Lumiya

I thought he killed Lumiya because he loved her.

Hence the "I will never let you fall." statement.

He's saying he can't save her but he'll try and make her death as painless as possible.

 

I see it as: "Do I LOOK like Sherlock Holmes?"

Anyway, I like the idea, Vergere=Sith notwithstanding.

 

So you're saying the poison is still there, floating around inside of him? (Cue more Luke angsting about the Dark Side...)

 

It's not impossible, Sinre. Sith poison practically mugged Ulic Quel-Droma straight into the Dark Side in TotJ.

Also -- this is likely to be bad for ChildofWinds' blood pressure.

 

My thoughts exactly...

 

I've never heard that idea before... having now heard it, I like it, I like it a lot.

They were (wasn't it even Shimrra himself who had the discussion?) searching for the Sith at one point early in the war, after all. Whether you want to think she was a "Sith" or not, the idea of her having had some involvement with Onimi's discovery of the Force is intriguing...

...and now that I think about it, the Jamaane Coup was the year after Vergere was captured!

A chicken co[o]p... it was staring us in the face all along!

 

Actually his theory should help her blood pressure, meaning that Luke had a reason for acting "out of character" at those times.

 

No, because it implies that Luke still has Sith poison floating around in his blood, increasing the likelihood of him doing dark things in the future...

 

At various times, Luke has been OOC throughout the entire post-ROTJ period. How do you explain those moments?

 

My personal unofficial explanation?

Anakin Skywalker is bipolar and so are his descendants.

 

luke isn't bipolar neither isn't ben or kol. cade on the other hand shows some bipolar disorder.

 

Is this the Ben Skywalker who went from Jacen Youth member who tried to kill the President to the Good Little Cub Scout?

Let's not forget Jacen Solo.

 

Blithe : Also -- this is likely to be bad for ChildofWinds' blood pressure

LOL! So true!!!

Sorry, Sinre, but I don't like your theory. I think it's time for authors to stop writing a "darkish" Luke. Your theory suggests Luke could be written as "darkish" for the rest of his life. No thanks! I think we've seen more than enough of this dark side stuff.

In fact, I'd like to see authors stop writing ANY Jedi as dark or on the edge of darkness. I'd like stories in which the Jedi resolve the problems of the galaxy instead of cause them...There are enough Sith in the galaxy that the authors don't need to turn Jedi into villains or near-villains. That's my opinion, anyway.

 

What old piece of canon has been neglected since TUF?


otherwise it could have been a good theory, just a little too much has happened to now introduce Onimi as a Sith apprentice

though actually, i would have liked that for the NJO
a rogue Sith takes over an entire race of beings and invades the galaxy


I think thats a lot of rewriting though to somehow justify Luke killing Lumiya in so called vengance, when we have the obvious reason of him confronting the woman who was claiming to have murdered his wife
What is wrong with the original reason?
Mildly out of charactor, but not unreasonably so
I dont think it was that bad that we need a rewrite all the way back to the NJO

 

I am all for that, rather than Jacen is the greatest hero ever (NJO) to lame villain LotF

When i said it was out of charactor, i was referencing the common complaint about Luke killing Lumiya
Personally, i was fine with it, even with her making Luke think she killed Mara
She was a Sith, had clearly still been causing problems, I am ok with a Jedi killing her
I see why Luke felt the way he did after learning the truth, but i am ok with it all (besides the lame "taint")

who are we writing off as evil because they are bipolar?

 

Vergere never was a Sith. Lumiya lied. She was a darksider, but not a Sith.

I disapprove, for the Vergere=Sith depedency. Why always bloody Sith. There are more lightsiders than Jedi, so why can't there be more darksiders than Sith?

 

that doesnt make Ben bipolar
that makes him a jedi student who was being personally trained by a Sith in disguise without anyone knowing
as a jedi, you trust your master
he just happened to have a bad first master
lets not turn him into some evil kid
that whole line of criticism on a 14 or 15 year old is a bit ridiculous and also conveniently takes a lot of blame off of Jacen Solo

Jacen Solo wasnt bipolar
he was a Sith who was making his decisions on his own for what he thought were the right reasons in his own twisted way
He decided to shut everyone out in his life who would help him and do everything on his own
Anyone who thinks only they have all the answers is not bipolar
they are just arrogant and idiotic

 

I think they turn the emotional spectrum on dime.

 

I always wonder why everyone who says Lumiya lied never addresses Vergere claiming she is a Sith in Legacy...

 

To be honest, considering the discussion currently happening in the "Are Sith being watered down?" thread, I don't particularly see an issue with her being a Sith anymore. Sith have gone from no longer just being evil megalomaniacal cackling sociopaths, to often just being Jedi who think they can do things better.

Vergere may not have identified as a Sith much, rather like how Kreia didn't exactly identify herself as a Sith anymore than a Jedi, but given how watery the notion of "What is a Sith?" has become these days, Vergere having spent some time studying with Palpatine need not require a personality transplant; it makes her as much into Palpatine as Luke studying with the Aing-Tii makes him into a Monk. Studying something =/= turning you into the stereotype.

On that basis, I don't see what it matters if she'd once studied with Palpatine anymore.

 

This is the best "What if" that I've seen in quite some time.
"What if Shimmra's amphistaff contained Sith Poison..."

 

To be honest, my first reaction to such stuff is "why do they never learn?"

What if Shimmra's amphistaff contained Abominor nanobots, put there by Onimi who wasn't above using the biggest abomination of all?

And what if the staff hit and released a secret bladder of Sith poison that Palpatine had put into Luke's body while they were giving him that new mechanical hand?

(BTW - off topic - why did Palpatine give Luke an "improved" hand? Because technology had finally found the hand prosthesis that supports Force Lightning, thus making it the ultimate Sith hand?)