Revan, the Ancient Sith Empire, and the Mandalorians. (KOTOR 2 spoilers)

It's a possibility that it's NOT the race...we'll have to see

Meaning the True Sith Empire? Heck, if this was a wager, I'd be sure to place a bet on the fact that the True Sith Empire is not the Sith Race. Allow me to elaborate a bit more...

Again, where in the game would this even be hinted that it consists of the Sith race? The idea hadn't crossed my mind once I had finished the game...

Plus, let's, for a moment, also take in that KotOR is meant to be pretty mainstream. Any bloke who has seen the movies could easily pick up this game and have fun with it. There are a few nods to the EU here and there, but there isn't anything in the game which really requires knowledge from the Expanded Universe. Especially KotOR showed this by borrowing heavily from the the movies. A Sith Empire, controlled by a half-machine/half-man Sith Lord, with Sith troopers and Sith Fighters. Although KotOR 2 kinda strayed away from that, and seemed to be more aimed at being a story related to the Force. All fine et dandy, the Force is a big part of the movies, any bloke who has seen the movies would understand and like it. Plus, there are still Lightsabers and evil Sith Lords to defeat. What's not to like? And even then, there's the whole 'Last of the Jedi' angle that folks would enjoy, again kinda resembling the OT.

But with KotOR 3, I'm having a hard time to imagine that they would suddenly turn the story to focus upon the Sith Race, who have actually been the real enemy all along. Really, as I've said, KotOR is meant to be more mainstream than the average EU, so I just can't imagine this happening for KotOR 3. Folks want to take a lightsaber and slice through armies of stormtroopers(lookalikes will do as well), bad Dark Jedi, save the galaxy from these evil forces, instead of attacking a bunch of reddish, power-mad, raving monsters.

A group of mysterious Dark Siders would work much better here. That's something that the audience could, well, identify more with.


In other news, I still find the whole 'War of belief' downright fascinating. Doesn't Traya also hint at something more when she says that the true war would not be faught with machines and the like? Just what could this be all about? The ultimate Light vs. Dark battle?

(of course, it could be a war of belief in a way that everyone believed that the Sith race is extinct, while they aren't, so everyone has to stop believing that )

 

Thank you, my friend, for being the needed voice of reason I required

 

Traya was never part of Revan's plan. She went after Revan to try to find out if her teachings caused him to fall, but once she was on Malachor she became a Sith.

She said she may have considered going with Revan to the unknown regions if he asked her.

 

Sin, I do not think you realize the full scope of Traya's scheme...Traya would kill EVERYTHING touched by the Force...she'd sever the Force and the life of all connected to it. And rememebr what Yoda said? The Force is in everything...she would have literally destroyed all life to show her hatred of the Force

 

One thing I found interesting from KotOR II, when you're on Korriban and stop in front of Ludo Kreshh's tomb ...

Kreia makes some comment about how he was hailed as the greatest lightsaber fighter of the Sith, and the Exile asks her how good they were. She replies something like, "If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would find that we are as children playing with sticks compared to their skill." (Not word for word, just the general gist of the convo)

Now how would Kreia know this? It's not like she's faced an ancient Sith Lord in battle, or seen one. Unless, of course, one or more of those ancient Sith has survived, and Kreia had met/seen one in her travels.

I dislike the notion of the Sith Empire coming back to life, but it certainly seems to be the direction that KotOR is going. I hope they don't turn Revan into a bad guy again for the third one; in fact, I think it would be cool if you played as him again, learning new Force powers (I know he was uber-powerful at the end of KotOR, but they can always make new things for him to gain).

 

Isn't it stated that Kreia was a Jedi knight who fell, though? She can hardly be a 1000 year old Sith if she was a Jedi. And I doubt a 1000 year old Sith would hate the Force as she seems to.

 

Plus, Kreia was human...Yoda...wasn;t

 

Well, we don't know for a fact that Kreia was human

 

She was Jedi-arts trained; whether that was Jedi- or Sithly-centered isn't quite made clear, but we do know that Revan "sought her out" for further training prior to the Mandalorian Wars (Kreia/Traya being one of three or four other masters).

Highly doubt there's anything so remotely convoluted about her knowledge of the ancient Sith masters -- hell, you're stading there on *Korriban*, where ancient records and monuments to those guys abound. Almost certainly there's a substantial oral history getting passed along through the Sith Order about the dudes, particularly amongst the traineees at the erstwhile academy.

 

There's history databanks, holocrons, and stories, true. But if Kreia hasn't seen one of the ancient Sith lords in combat today, then she has no basis for her statement that they were better fighters than Jedi of the Exile's time. It could be just hyperbole, but most of Kreia's teachings seem to be true, so why not this?

Heh, I don't believe that she has seen one of the "True Sith", I just remembered that line and formed a slightly crazy theory. Oh, and now that I think about it, I think the tomb was Tulak Hord's, not Ludo Kreshh's.

 

Ludo even HAVING a tomb is a ludicrous concept...'Let's give the TRAITOR an elaborate tomb setup! And while we're at it, let's piece together his atoms!"

 

Look at the tomb's location, though...hidden underneath a farking mountain range, buried behind a lengthy run through the terentatek- and shyrack-infested caverns. Clearly the game's implication is that Kressh's monument was constructed covertly, and *without* the sanction of the greater Sith order. A faction of breakaway dissidents, undoubtedly.

It wasn't a part of the Valley of the Dark Lords, and for very good reason.

As for Kreia's age...doubt it. And one can run visual comparison analyses quite easily based upon vid records -- anyone can side-by-side styles and technique and come up with a *reasonable* baseline of contrast, living or long-dead. Folks do it today; having still greater advanced tech at your disposal should make it all the more accurate an art.

 

When does Nihilus say "you stole my essence"?

 

Regardless, Ludo's followers would have...six hours. max. to build a tomb...in the time it took for them to be nearly killed and him to flee with them...

 

Through the Force, all things are possible.

 

It probably *does*, we just aren't told that specifically.

Like when Obi Wan, or other Jedi sense great holocausts from across the galaxy, what else could that be than the force being wounded? Afterall, life creates it, and makes it grow.