ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m sure you know that.

If Luke/Vader wasn’t sexual, then the clearly deliberate visual parallel means Rey/Kylo wasn’t either.



I really can’t imagine anything clearer than that.

Similarly, in a comic, Luke’s female companion in the story kisses him in a panel that’s basically a trace of Leia kissing Luke in ESB. Which tells us that no, Luke won’t end up in a romance with that lady, either.

 

I'm sorry - what?

We've seen EU materials are irrelevant to director desire. Hell, Rian ignored what he did not like in TFA, let alone any other material. He told the story he wanted to tell.

And In which Star Wars movie did that hand holding between Luke and Vader happen? It didn't.

And no - I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm saying Rian didn't do the finger touching thing as a joke. He did it to heighten the intimacy and closeness he wanted Kylo to have with Rey.

 

This is post-ANH but before ESB. Do you think Luke is truly reaching out to take Vader's hand or is this Vader imagining it? Also, did GL or anyone involved in the process ever said "I want us to believe in this romance"? We already know what RJ thought of this relationship, the question is whether JJ/CT agree with this interpretation.

 

It’s “visual storytelling” - a visual parallel intended to tell us something about both relationships.

If one is sexual, so is the other. Otherwise the comic artist wouldn’t have drawn the panels that way.

Poetry....rhyming...yada yada.

And as for that RJ quote, I trust JW’s ability to capture the emotional subtext of SW movies better than I trust RJ not to treat shipping like a joke.

 

It doesn't matter who you trust most, RJ still revealed what was his intent for that scene and it was not a joke.

You didn't answer my question, did GL or anyone else ever referred to Vader/Luke relationship as a "romance" or any of their interactions as a "sex scene" even as a joke?

 

I thought you were talking about John Williams at first and was ready to fight you. And speaking of the maestro, I love that the man who's job for the past 50+ years is watching movies and understanding/fleshing out their themes and symbolism through music, views Kylo as a threatening menace to Rey and sees the likelihood that Rey is a Skywalker.

 

You’re stating it wasn’t a joke. That’s your position. I posted that comparison in support of my own position that it *was* a joke. All you’re doing is repeating yourself.

Of course GL didn’t refer to Luke/Vader as a “romance.” It wasn’t. JJ didn’t refer to Rey/Kylo as a romance, either. It isn’t. RJ joked about it. Just because other directors have better taste doesn’t mean RJ must have been serious.

 

You really watched that video and feel he was joking? Add in the context of everything else he's said about the Kylo/Rey relationship I don't think he was joking at all.

Now - that is just his interpretation and what he wanted to see/film. Its clear from the D23 interviews JJ is doing a course correction and going back to the story he wanted to tell originally but that doesn't change what RJ did with the story.

Even if its Rey Related - that wasn't the story or premise told in TLJ.

 

Or people just take what he says out of context like they did Hamil.

 

I actually go both ways on RJ. On the one hand, I absolutely believe that he is a Reylo and that he intended romantic undercurrents to the scenes between Kylo and Rey. His interviews are enough to convince me of that. Furthermore, I can envision him going towards an unambiguous Reylo endgame if he had been given IX.

On the other hand, I also can kind of believe that the Reylo in TLJ might have been intended as a subversive smokescreen and that RJ's job was to provide the "certain point of view" that would be overturned in the final movie by a related reveal. He certainly didn't cement Reylo, and in fact it's very easy to watch the movie with a Rey/Kylo sibling or cousin relationship in mind and it works fine. I think he enjoys leaving the audience just enough off balance that they are not sure what reality is, and so this type of scenario would perfectly fit within his filmmaking sensibilities.

I think either of the above is possible, and it will be fascinating to see how it plays out once TROS is released.

 

Saying this comment was a joke is the only thing taking it out of context.

 

Ok, so haven't watched it, and not gonna, but suppose he just joking, nothing wrong with that.

 

Again, take the visual comparison into consideration before you judge. Oh, and all the other close-up hand touches in TLJ (ie: context).

By joke I don’t mean he was trying to get the audience to laugh. Just that he wasn’t being serious.

 

The context is not a joke. People laugh because it’s hyperbole and ridiculous, but he’s being literally when he says it’s his favorite scene in the movie, and the sex scene hyperbole is the explanation for why he loves it.

 

Oh um... I was ... uh... kidding! Yeah.. that's it!

 

Which one? LoL

 

Yeah, that's how he marketed the movie long before anyone even knew what the story was about. I see no point in disregarding it just because it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

What? How comment and make a conclusion without seeing it?

Looked serious to me. And what other hand touches were in TLJ? Only relevant context is RJ SW movies.

 

Luke/Leia, Poe/Leia, Luke/Rey. All in TLJ.

None of them sexual.

(I hope...)

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He’s also joked about Luke/Leia incest, you know...

OR DID HE

 

Perfectly fine not to like it. Thought there might be a more technical, character or story reason.

Did say Rey and Kylo might find a way to communicate without revealing much about their locations or who they are with.

My point is it is a quick way for the audience to find out a great deal about what has gone on in the last year & state of the Galaxy.

According to the posts above, Rey and Kylo apparently they will be using it in lX.

My guess is their interactions will be conflicted but informative. Neither understands the other and their communication will hopefully allow us to ground and understand them both.

A dream scene for me would be: Kylo visiting Padme’s Tomb while talking to Rey.

 

I don't recall any of them with close up of hand touches nor a scene setup like Rey/Kylo were. Nor Rian talking about them in the same context.

I know you believe Rey will be a Skywalker - I want to as well. But its clear Rian had other ideas and shared them in his movie. He had that right from LFL. But no way this is on the same page as what JJ setup in TFA and as JJ and others have said about TROS - they are going back to what they set up before.

 

Mine is Ben Solo visiting Rey's grave because her sacrifice after joining the Dark Side ultimately freed him from it. That would be cool.

 

Brother?

Why do you think this? It’s as plausible as anything else, but what hints are there?

I do think that a great deal of Secrets are being withheld from Rey and Kylo by Luke, Han and Leia as there were by Obi-Wan, Yoda, The Organas, the Larses about Luke and Leia.

Maybe even more about Rey and Kylo. Like Rey being a genetic Force Experiment of Palpatine’s with an Order 66 chip in her brain which flips on, explaining her Robotic Dark side appearance. Or the Ring theory that allows Palps to possess Rey.

 

Vader wanted the power the cheat death and never succeeded, Kylo want to finish what Vader started. Notice all the emphasis on Mustafar and Vader's castle lately? Just sayin'.