ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

Rey is a clone of the lightsaber!?!? I knew it. Makes total sense!

 

What if she is related to the Vizla family Ero's known for their violence and terror, but also hope and wisdom among mandalorian people. I like if she was related to force snsetive but not anyone fans remember.

 

I am thinking that she might be related to the Kryze Klan.

 

Ah yes, the people terrified of Luke taking over Rey's story envisioned Rey as a secondary character that has to help the true Skywalker save the day from the beginning. Makes perfect sense, of the type that doesn't at all. Happily, there are zero allusions to such a concept in the Art of TFA book. Rey isn't the helper. She's the protagonist.

 

Maz is asking her to HELP luke right in TFA, not the art book.. how does she at first try to HELP to bring him back





Think of Obi Wan's life, stuck with in between training off kilter Anakin and whiny Luke.. Think of Rey, stuck with off kilter Kylo and whiny Luke

 

The help line might be in the novel, but it is not in the movie. One line wouldn't make our protagonist a duplicate of a secondary character anyway. You argue that Rey is modeled after a secondary character, and she serves a secondary purpose, in direct contradiction to the stated goals for her story in the Art of TFA book.

I absolutely see your argument from TLJ. RJ treated Rey as a prop in Kylo's story,just as Obi is a prop in Luke's. Regardless, there is zero support for your idea as having been the plan all along. In fact, the evidence points starkly away from that having been the plan. You ignore 90% of the art book to argue it.

 

Rey Solo doesn't work for me on account of the Han/Leia scene in TFA. I don't care if they believed her lost or dead but in a scene where they are talking about a lost child, it is unfeasible to me that they wouldn't at least reference a second lost child. That would 1000 % happen. And at least with Leia, you cannot pull the "she never knew she had a daughter" card that you can do with fathers. Mothers do know.

So after TFA, I considered the Solo sibling theory dead.

 

The art book is just concept what is on the screen is Canon. Rey's purpose in TFA is to HELP bring Luke back by getting BB8 back to the resistance.
TLJ Rey's purpose becomes to turn Kylo Ren to help save the resistance.

Obi Wan is not a secondary character or prop in GFFA he is only second to Darth Vader/Anakin in on Screen minutes. Luke's run time in TLJ did not even put him over Obi Wan.. but carry on.

 

Obi-wan has no presence in the ST at all except for a line in a Forceback.

RJ even said he had Yoda show up instead of Obi-wan because Luke had no history with the younger Obj-wan as represented by Ewan.

Evidently, that was justification enough to use Yoda instead.

And I will assume you’re not implying that Obi-wan is = in importance to Luke Skywalker in this Saga...unless you’d actually like to argue this?

 

Once again, the HELP line is not in the film. Maz tells Rey Luke can still come back for her. That’s the end of it. If the novel tried to make sense of it by reinterpreting the line to be heartless and grammatically garbage, that’s fine, but it’s not in the movie. And even if it was in the film, Rey’s ultimate purpose with Luke is to be trained and become a Jedi. It’s NOT to help Luke be the hero. Such an idea terrified LF explicitly. They’re quite open about that. They wanted Rey’s story.

Rey’s purpose in TFA is to discover her destiny as the force hero because she is the protagonist. Even TLJ in a half assed way makes the point that Rey is the hero here. Not Kylo. Your reinterpretation isn’t evidence. Interesting that when you’re offering out of context images from the Art book, you think it’s great evidence, but when the entire context of the Art book is laid out, suddenly it doesn’t matter because it’s not canon.

Obi is not a protagonist in the OT. He’s a prop to Luke in the OT. Of course he has more screen time over six films. He’s in six films. Luke is in three. Regardless, in total, Obi’s only purpose in the story is to prop Luke and then Anakin. He doesn’t have a backstory. He doesn’t have relationships outside of Skywalkers. He isn’t ever the POV character. He’s a side character by every definition, although I would argue he’s the deuteragonist of the PT as a whole.

 

Good grief, one line from the book doesn't negate Rey's importance as the protagonist. My whole point was that the passage likely points to a change in the script, since ADF was working from an earlier version and not the finished movie.
Nor does that one line point to her being a Kenobi. Literally nothing I've seen does that.

This has been my take on Rey and Kylo's interactions in TFA from the very beginning. The novel, which again was written from am earlier script, makes it very clear that Kylo is obsessed with Rey from the standpoint of her being a "nobody" from Jakku. From the first mention of "the girl," it seems like he recognizes who she is but is in denial that she could possibly be who he suspects she is.
We know that DR was told who Rey's parents were. DR said in her first appearance regarding TFA that we would find out who her parents were. This supports the idea that a reveal was originally slated for TFA but removed because mystery box.
Fwiw, even when we didn't get a reveal, I thought Leia had told her something privately before she sent her to Luke. It makes sense given their farewell scene in the book.

This really isn't proof. We didn't see all of their private conversations, nor are we privy to their private griefs. They had a conversation about Rey off-screen, and we don't know what was said. Just because they didn't bring up a dead child immediately when talking about Kylo doesn't mean they couldn't conceivably have one.
There is, in fact, an oblique reference to an event that drove them apart at the same time the decision to send Kylo to Luke was made.

 

The Han/Leia conversation doesn't mean anything to me because LF is making the story up as they go. Nothing in a previous film confirms or refutes what might come later. They've already proven that. We shouldn't be looking for evidence for anything. They'll do whatever they want and retcon things at will. Hi slave Rey!

 

Anakin is the hero of the Saga... Per GL...
The prequels changed the balance in the saga, Obi Wan is as important to Anakin as Luke is to Anakin

Great, that means all possibilities are still on the table including Rey Kenobi

 

Yeah. I would never say otherwise. I only argue against the idea it was the plan from the start. Clearly it wasn't.

 

Thank you. There is no plan - I forgot who said it ages ago in another movie or TV show, but when they say plan, they mean lies. It's whatever they have decided will best get them out of the corner they've painted themselves into. They thought their brilliant "nobodies" explanation was going to solve all their problems but here comes JJ and "we'll really find out who Rey's parents are" in 9. Sure we will. I'm betting that we get out of this saga without ever knowing because none of these folks want to stake out a position.

Honestly, I don't give a damn, to paraphrase Rhett Butler, but I am sick of the arguments about it. It should have been settled in TLJ but no, we've had two more years of this craziness and if I could figure out how to draft the cause of action, I'd sue Lucasfilm in a class action for making Star Wars fandom into the morass we're in. I'm sure we could certify a class in no time flat. I just don't know what damages we'd ask for. Maybe the cost of an Internet service provider for four years.

 

I think JJ had a plan, I just don't think LFL thought through the consequences of letting RJ stomp through their sandbox. It remains to be seen how much of the original plan was salvageable, I'm sure there will be some winging it involved in making RoS work.

 

You may be forgetting that Lucas was talking about Episodes 1 to 6.

Now there are three more episodes. And the Saga is now the Skywalker Family Saga. It’s about three generations of Skywalkers - the Chosen One and his descendants.

Obi-wan is not co-equal in importance to Anakin. Or Luke. Or Leia. Or Kylo. Or Rey. Not in the context of the Saga. Certainly not in the context of the ST.

Unlike with the reylo theory, when it comes to reynobi I honestly can’t tell if its advocates are saying that they want it to be true or think it a compelling likelihood.

 

My assumption (and obviously, as an assumption, could be completely off) is that it wasn't cut for mystery box purposes, but because of their desire to pass the baton along to the next director and let them proceed unrestrained. Their next director wanted to go a different direction, so they had JJ make edits to accommodate. Meanwhile, even when RJ gets to do his thing, he has to leave wiggle room for the next one in the form of how unreliably it was delivered. If the next director/writer wanted to backtrack, they easily could, or they could proceed with the nobody explanation RJ liked. That's just my guess based on what they've put out, that interview, and RJ saying he wasn't given any parentage he had to stick to.

 

If Rey ends up being a Solo, than I agree with others that this conversation was sloppy. It doesn't make sense that Rey wouldn't be mentioned in Han and Leia's conversation. It would have been done this way either in an effort to preserve mystery or as a side-affect of a retcon, neither of which are good reasons for messy scripting. However, like you say, it absolutely doesn't preclude another child from having existed. It also definitely helps explain why the family fell apart.

I'll also add that this would significantly help the rumor that Kylo begs Rey to kill him in order to destroy Palpatine. Unless you buy the Reylo love story, this scene carries zero emotion right now. From Rey's perspective, she should be looking at it as two for the price of one - "You mean I make one kill and I get rid of both people tormenting the galaxy?" However, if it is her brother who fell in part over torment over her death, while her mom (who she has just recently been reunited with) sits in heartbreak over the destruction of her family, that brings some real emotion to that choice and the final battle.

 

Still this legend that JJ is some genius mastermind who had a great plan for the ST but was hijacked by RJ?

Seriously guys.... JJ =/= Lucas. JJ didn't have any ****ing plan, he thought he was done with SW after EP VII and that's why he approved everything that RJ wrote. JJ's habit is to begin something but to let others conclude it. That's his thing. "Planning" is certainly not, that's why he first refused to write EP IX because he didn't have a clue about how to handle it. If he really had a plan when he wrote EP VII and wanted the other directors to stick to it, he would have rejected RJ's script or asked him to make some modifications. He was the producer, he could have done that. Instead it's JJ who modified his own script so it could fit with RJ's, so basically he showed how little he cared about his so-called "plan". Lucas would have not let RJ do what he wanted. Oh wait, Lucas would have not washed his hand off it like JJ did lol

If Rey's parents are nobodies, it was decided by BOTH JJ and RJ. Daisy pretty much confirmed that when she said she knew who Rey's parents were back when she was filming TFA.

 

"Here’s what I think I know. J.J. wrote Episode VII, as well as drafts for VIII & IX," Ridley said. "Then Rian Johnson arrived and wrote TLJ entirely. I believe there was some sort of general consensus on the main lines of the trilogy, but apart from that, every director writes and realizes his film in his own way." DR

Kasdan had this to say about the ending of IX:
“We talked about [the ending] — and there’s a certain thing that people who are involved with it feel should happen. There’s a kind of movement that happens. But it’s not in your control. It’s going to veer off with Rian, and it’s going to veer off another way with Colin.”

And of course this one that gets dismissed out of hand:
“I know what JJ kind of intended or at least was being chucked around. I think that’s kind of been undone slightly by the last one. There was some talk of a relevant lineage for her.” Simon Pegg


And from an extremely early interview.

KK says some interesting things about family for a character who has none. Just ignore the "Solo!" freakout, the most relevant part is DR at :45 to 1:00. In regards to rumors Han is her dad:
"I'm so excited for people to watch the film, and yeah, know what happens there."
She's so excited for people to watch the film and...not know for another 2 4 years? Or she was excited for people to know what they filmed that later got edited out?

 

The problem is we don't know how they may of lost said child. It might not be something they are comfortable talking about in front of others who might be within earshot. I'm not saying this is the case, I was never sold on Rey being a Solo. I feel she is a Skywalker or a Kenobi, I always have. But I don't think it's fair to just assume that they as parents would want people knowing something that intimate.