ST Rey Skywalker/Daisy Ridley Discussion Thread

Maybe, lol. I just dont see it as bad as some others

 

The irony is that jacket is also why people Ship Finn and Poe together.



And there are a lot of shippers from TFA. Many seemed to believe they also were set for greater things. With screenrant describing the 2 as flirtatious. Now i guess everyone has a different opinion. but then that also comes down to the subtlety. People read subtlety into what connects with them personally. Thats why there is never a right answer. With the evidence not there to tell people which one is actually is.

 

Blaming the fans for JJ's vague lack of direction and amazing actors having chemistry.

But at least Finn-Poe was a healthy ship. They genuinely cared about one another, even if only as friends. Can't say the same for the abusive toxic 'ship' that is Reylo. One where the girl has no choice but to save the soul of her abusive, murdering, psychopathic space fascist. Aw shucks. How lovely.

 

I'm a little late, but quick question: if Alan Dean Forster was setting up a romance for Rey and Finn, then what the F was this Rey and Poe meeting?! They hugged, then awkwardly introduced each other like a meet-cute, and it says that Rey liked Poe's face. Wasn't THAT set up for romance, too?

 

It is rather strange that Rey is just 'meeting' Poe for the first time, after 5 hours of story in 2 full movies. Sure, it's been like 3 days since she left Jakku. But still. She was at the base for at least a night. They didn't meet then?

I wish that Poe was with Finn when he met Rey. And that he was there all along when they got the Falcon (hey look at the that, they would have had a pilot w them. How convenient for the story). That the 3 of them had this time together. Him meeting Han, this pilot-general legend. The husband of Leia, who he's trying to help w the map. Poe could have been the one to convince Han to go see her. Han could have been like "She doesn't want to see me. Trust me, kid". And Poe could have been like "She does. She sent me to find Luke.'. And it all comes together.

Instead, Poe just turns up on Maz's planet in an X-wing leading a squadron, like nothing happened on Jakku. Obviously, he was 'dead' for those pages in the script. Likely they had already shot that stuff on Jakku, without him, before filming the stuff with Boyega on the FO ship, where he meets Poe, and their chemistry was soo damn good that they then allowed Poe to live on. So they then inserted him into the attack on Maz's castle. Maybe did some dubbing for Finn in the sand. Who knows.

I wonder who would have led that squadron on Maz's planet and final fight on SKB, if Poe had died as originally planned.

Anyway, It's bonkers that we didn't get a OT TRIO reunion science. But to be fair, we never really got a ST TRIO either. Not until TROS. Where they frantically tried to make this a trio of friends in the final hour.

Kind of sounds like they never really considered how any of these characters would actually -- ya know -- bounce off one another in the story.

 

Most likely Snap Wexley would have lead that squadron. He also probably would have blown up SKB, had that little infighting with Holdo, and lead the fleet on Exegol. I imagine he'd be killed there, too. Finn would have been the one to have that Despair Event Horizon that Poe had (which would be even more similar to Captain America's Despair Event Horizon in Endgame).

Also, yeah, their friendship did seem a bit forced. Their three-way hug felt empty and unearned.

 

Yeah. They are basically the same pilot. They have interchangeable styles of dialog.

JJ was friends with that actor and probably wanted a throw away pilot that could be killed off in act 1. But then OI and JB killed it in that one scene and they had gold where they didn't even know it existed.

Whoops.

 

I forget that Poe was supposed to die in TFA… and you can tell as he just disappears from the film without rhyme or reason. It’s structurally all over the place…

 

Half the movie was made up on the fly during production.

Pretty sure a good part of TLJ was, also, made up on the fly during production. (or at least cut, swapped, switched around, and revised in huge ways)

TROS barely counts as a movie. Its more like 3 movies in one. But it suffers the same problems. Last minute major decisions.

These people couldn't plan a single movie, let alone an entire trilogy.

 

Did they give Poe's screen time to Finn then? TFA was already crowded with Rey, Finn, Han, Leia who all needed good screentimes

 

No...there never was a Poe after Jakku. He died. They probably never expected his scenes with Finn to be amazing. So the movie was just Finn and Rey. Then (perhaps) Snap Wexley shows up at Maz's with the Rebels to save the day. And then again at the Rebel base ready to blow up SKB. But Snap would never have had any scenes or bond with Finn. No keep the jacket thing. There was no story there. They built that up when they realized Poe and Finn were cool on screen.

 

Let me ask you this: Do you feel like the "romantic set-up" between Finn and Rey was more present than what we saw between Luke and Leia (or Han and Leia) in ANH? I don't.

If people see the seeds of romance between Finn and Rey in TFA, I understand that perspective. It could potentially be interpreted that way. Yet, I think it was far from definitive and certainly less developed than the triangle set up in ANH between Luke/Leia/Han.

In ANH, we had Luke's immediate attraction to Leia ("She's beautiful!"), the princess rescue with clear fairy tale undertones, their "for luck" kiss, and Luke's subtle competition with Han for her attention. Even Han and Leia had more obvious romantic tension from their first interactions.

Meanwhile, TFA presented Finn and Rey's relationship primarily as a friendship. Yes, Rey does kiss Finn on the forehead when he's unconscious, but this reads more as affection for a friend rather than romantic interest. Their dynamic was built on mutual survival and alliance, with only Finn showing brief one-sided interest ("Do you have a boyfriend?") that Rey clearly never reciprocated throughout the film.

Again, I can see that a possible romance between Finn and Rey was hint, but it was a bit one sided. Rey seemed to view Finn as a friend...maybe that's just me. I certainly don't think it was "there" enough to say Finn was robbed of something in the next films.

And yes, I agree, that there was much more romance chemistry/tension between Finn and Poe.

 

Well... given that LFL are too scared to put Finn with either Poe or Rey, the Story Group made Zorii a toxic emotional and physical abuser in Free Fall; the only logical (for business, mostly) thing to do is to either put Poe and Rey together, both ending up single, or making up completely new characters for love interests for one or both of them. Maybe Poe can end up with Kaydel Connix, Jess Pava, Rose Tico, or Suralinda Javos. As for Rey, since they want to stick with George Lucas' celibate Jedi thing, then I guess she ends up single.

 

Oh they are sticking to that celibate thing. There is not enough good siding with it as to why it should be ignored. If anything there has been so many reasons why its still shown as bad.

Which i think is down to Lucas. He put so much thought into the psychology of it that just saying ah it’s fixed now and we unlocked immunity to it... doesnt really work.

In terms of Rey having children. If she did they would really have to explore it seriously based on what history has shown. Which I feel we are more likely just to get another orphan taking the name skywalker down the line. Which will then become a thing moving forward.

 

I thought the Reylo movement was gross ten years ago. I still think it's gross, but I thought it was gross then too

 

Because Rey already has doubts about herself and fears the idea of being thrown away by her family. Rey is a very inexperienced character who’s whole life has been focused around waiting for her family to come back. Kylo is playing into things she’s already had in the back of her head and denied

 

The problem isn't necessarily that she falls for it although the path to getting there is clumsy. The storyline would have been worth it if it had actually finished the throughline for why her position is so tragic. Her crisis shouldn't end with "oh no, my parents are nobody. oh no, i couldn't redeem him after all." No, the ending and most gutting part of her final conversation with Kylo should be her realizing sharply that she just helped give the keys to the kingdom away to the man who not only killed his father but also killed the same man who was the first to grant her a true place to belong after all. That's where her perception should land and the fact that it doesn't makes the whole "her shutting the door in Kylo's face" thing kind of a meaningless gesture because Rian basically forgets the most important element. He twists his ankle at the finish line because he's too attached to the "ambiguity" of Kylo rather than his evil as it relates to her. He doesn't understand that this is when the facade should be shattered.

 

After Kylo tells her about her parents and that she is “nothing” she is not “warm and cozy” with him, that’s the point where she rejects him and stops trying to get him to turn from the dark side. She does not accept Kylo’s attempts to manipulate her by presenting himself as the only one who cares about her, she sees through it.